[Cypherpunks] “Internet is a very large-scale spying machine”

Alexander Protector afalex169 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 7 09:22:25 PDT 2020

Forwarding a great message from the cryptome list.

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Subject: [cryptome] “Internet is a very large-scale spying machine”
To: cryptome at freelists.org <cryptome at freelists.org>

see url: https://www.rt.com/news/cryptome-classified-secret-wikileaks/


Cryptome.org was publishing classified and secret documents long before
WikiLeaks made headlines. Cryptome co-founder John Young told RT such
sites are allowed to stay online so that spy services might keep an eye
on their visitors.
There is no secrecy on the Internet, John Young warned.“In terms of
their being able to see everything that we are doing, we know that we
cannot keep any secrets about our site and we tell our readers, ‘You
should not expect us to protect you, because we are being watched and
every other site is being watched, just like WikiLeaks is being
watched,’” he said. “There’s no secrecy on the Internet – that’s the
lesson we’ve learned and we are now trying to spread that.”“They [the
security services] use our site to see what’s going on and that’s
something that we’ve learned about sites like ours. They are left in
place in order to watch who comes there and see what kind of information
we’ve put up,” John Young added. “The reason we haven’t been shut down
is that we are useful to them to see what kind of attention is paid to
this material. We think they actually feed us material to put up as they
are feeding information to WikiLeaks and many other sites that operate
the same way.”John Young said Cryptome grew out of his participation in
the group called Cypherpunks – which was also the group in which Julian
Assange learned his skills.“This group was composed of very
highly-educated engineers, scientists and technicians who were mostly
working for corporations and government on the technology of
communication security,” he said.Cryptome’s co-founder said secrecy is a
biggest enemy of democracy.“Threats to democracy come from the secret
keepers, and they need to be exposed. It has become a huge industry and
it’s extremely expensive,” he said. “And you can’t criticize it, you
can’t get access to it, because those who go inside that world are sworn
to life-time secrecy about it and they can never talk about it.”“This is
a system which is anti-democratic and it’s a big business now. Thousands
of firms have been drawn into it since 9/11, because it is very
lucrative. We need to have less secrecy in Congress, less secrecy in the
presidency, less secrecy in all forms of government,” he says.John Young
said governments leak more information for their own purposes than all
the secret leaking websites put together.“They [governments] run
operations to leak secrets to test their own system,” he said. “There
are schools to train people doing just that on the Internet. They teach
their own people how to run these sting operations by leaking
information to test their system. They are sometimes called A-teams and

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