Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.

[Tom Busby]

Cheers for the response.

If any of you find anything new, if you emailed me directly, I'd be really
grateful (i.e. not to the list in case I miss it due to my filter).

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 19:18, Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 06:56:42PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
> > can i confirm that this is the Venona archive merged with the 2000-2016
> > archive from this post:
> >
> > https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-July/042515.html
>
> Yes, exactly. There are some notes about sources, linked in via the
> listinfo page.
>
> > i.e. that we don't have a new, overlapping archive of the 90s period? I'm
> > assuming venona is still the only game in town for the 90s period.
>
> Correct. The venona .zip contents I used are dated 2003. Cryptome has a
> copy dated 2010 that is only different by a few bytes.
>
> We have not heard of other archives covering 1992-1998. All the other
> online archives seem to trace back to the same source.
>
> Something that is unfortunate about this is that, at the time, there were
> a bunch of different remailers (the number varied over time, but seems to
> have typically been around a half-dozen). Each CDR's archive would have
> been different: different spam, different headers and slight variations in
> time stamps.
>
> It seems that none of the other CDR archives are available, at least
> publicly. Only the venona one. This is part of why Jim has been reaching
> out to some of those CDR operators, and also long-time list subscribers.
> Any other archive would be expected to have material differences, at least
> with headers & spam.
>
> BTW, I joined the list in 2001, at the tail of the period above (and was
> on a couple of different CDRs over time). In the quest for archives from
> the 1990s I am an interested party, but not a source of any original
> materials.
>
>  - Greg
>
>
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:54, Tom Busby <tom at busby.ninja> wrote:
> >
> > > oh fantastic, thank you very much. looks great.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Tom,
> > >>
> > >> You might be interested to see that I recently merged the archives.
> (I am
> > >> the current list operator.) You can find it browsable and a few other
> > >> formats. This spans September 1992-July 2013 in the cypherpunks-legacy
> > >> collection.
> > >>
> > >> The current (ongoing) list is in the main cypherpunks collection, from
> > >> 2013-present. They are both here:
> > >>
> > >>   https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo
> > >>
> > >> Announcement/description:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-December/078230.html
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>   Greg
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:41:57PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
> > >> > I'm just a guy with a website. Believe me, it saddens me that so
> much is
> > >> > lost, that's why I originally started trying to piece it all
> together,
> > >> but
> > >> > my leads ran cold, and if you go look at the commit logs for crypto
> > >> > anarchy.wiki you'll see how little time I've had to work on it
> lately.
> > >> >
> > >> > In terms of whether this is deliberate forgery or just lost data, I
> > >> have no
> > >> > way of finding out because I don't have other copies of the archive
> to
> > >> > compare with. That's the only way to do it. And even then I can only
> > >> detect
> > >> > tampering, not innocent loss of data. I was under ten years old
> during
> > >> this
> > >> > period so I'm flying blind in terms of what it should look like.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not a player in this drama, I'm just a guy who is mirroring
> what's
> > >> > available so that isn't lost too.
> > >> >
> > >> > I simply don't have the time to help you at the moment. I have too
> many
> > >> > other commitments. I haven't even found time to merge the
> 1999-onwards
> > >> > archive.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you find a lead on any of it, let me know. As far as I can tell,
> Ryan
> > >> > Lackey is the only one who can help you. This archive originates on
> > >> Venona.
> > >> > That I'm pretty sure about. If he won't respond to you, I don't know
> > >> what
> > >> > can be done. I really hope someone else finds an archive of this
> era,
> > >> > because it's the most important era for sure.
> > >> >
> > >> > But other than that, please bear in mind that I'm on your side. We
> both
> > >> > have the same goal: a complete, accurate archive. I've done what I
> can
> > >> so
> > >> > far. I won't have time to work on this actively in the near future.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, 20:27 jim bell, <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby
> > >> <tom at busby.ninja>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh
> don't
> > >> > > seem to care
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do
> about it.
> > >> > > This appears to be the only copy of the archive available.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and
> I'll
> > >> merge
> > >> > > it.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive.
>  That's a
> > >> > > limited view.  I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for
> the
> > >> > > well-planned omissions in the archive.  From where was the data
> > >> obtained?
> > >> > > When was the faking of the data done?   Who did it?  Why?
> > >> > > Who had control of the Cypherpunks list during the 1995-2003 time
> > >> frame?
> > >> > > Was the data stored elsewhere, such as the Wayback Machine?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >                       Jim Bell
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt
> > >> Missinghttps://
> > >>
> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jim Bell's comment:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about
> me,
> > >> and
> > >> > > any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks
> archive.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh
> don't
> > >> seem
> > >> > > to care.  Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > >
>
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