Cryptocurrencies: alpha-11 US-Public System released

grarpamp grarpamp at gmail.com
Tue Feb 4 04:22:37 PST 2020


On 1/31/20, other.arkitech <other.arkitech at protonmail.com> wrote:
> coining the abbreviation USPS

It seems like a coin, coins have tickers.
It's not much of a good one, sounds too much like
Postal Services, United Parcel, too much USA.

> Important: SSH only applies to nodes I control because owners voluntarily
> allowed for development.

> No one else but you enter the box.

If past is right, it was enabled by default in the image and could login
to all the users machines, and required all users to register their
IP to you before they could run their nodes.

> There is a reason for using IP4, see below.

It's invalidated by both easy and inexpensive attack models.
Especially before masses supercede over Sybil.
So there is not point to this IPv4, early, or later.
Unless there is some whitepaper to show different.

> Users have a linux box with root access protecting their wallet.

No, users have a closed source USPS box that they have
no idea what it is doing with their funds and their interaction
with it. There is zero protection there. Users would be insane
to put funds on closed source remotely accessible box that
some license and mandatory autoupdates further shove
centralized counterparty control risk down users throats.

> Software updates are pulled like your OS pulls updates from repositories.

Ask your local FinTech dayjob how scary that is.... no, no, no.

> You can find a number of devices at your home fitting this model: Router,
> TV, Windows.

All of those closed devices are untrustable surveillance, attack,
and propaganda boxes that should be hit with a hammer.

> It is not an irrelevant parallelism. USPS box is debian Linux where you can
> login as root. Most routers that run proprietary software inside don't let
> you in as root, but you still run it.

An opensource BSD/linux router that users can hack
on is an irrelavant nonexample.

Root access to USPS doesn't matter much when USPS users cannot
hack on and run USPS however they want due to closedsource and
license. That's a relavant distributed fintech security issue,

> it is a system that cares about your private data.
> not only financial data, everithing fits, medical records, pics, ...
> Security is maxed in this project.

Needs a whitepaper to evaluate this.

> The consensus algorithms do not exchange private data.
> redundancy of information makes its potential utility unneccesary,
> man-in-the-middle modifying traffic does not impact in the consensus.
> TLS comes important only in private P2P trades.

Was a basic analyse the failure modes and breadth of possible attack even done.
At minimum, every users transaction is spyable... srcIP, dstIP, content,
as it is broadcast across the network.
"Private P2P trades" are probably not private because they
too need to ripple information across the spy network to
register in consensus crunching pools, etc.
All the miners mempools or whatever you call them
will know exactly what IP hops the tx came from.

> TLS does little for security,
> That's why BTC does not need encryption.
> Also USPS doesn't need it

Haha, that was the bad joke the NSA police politician propaganda
played on you :)
Everything that traverses clearnet needs at least some basic TLS
mode... TOFU, PSK, oppurtunistic... or other good crypto.
TLS is free, to refuse to crypt every single connection today, looks even more
stupid than it did in 2010 and 2000. Regardless even if it only make
it tiny little
harder for adversary, it is non optional today.

>> But auto rolling updates to the users fintech without users
>> permission risks wiping out the entire network, and peoples
>> coins with it.

> That's foolish reasoning because pulling and auto-pulling differs little.

No, auto-pull auto-run is vastly different from manual-pull manual-run.

> You voluntarily allow or disallow your binaries are in sync with the rest of
> the network, one-time setting.

Users should set it to OFF until they can eval and test
and talk about it with others.

> Only when the project gains user base an open source community will be
> started, with reproducible builds of course and ALL code open.
> Not before, there is no point to opensource it before time.
> Honestly, what are you going to do with 40K lines of C++ code? without user
> base you would not review a single file. Pointless at this stage to open
> source.

These ways is not how true opensource projects operate.

> I do share the code with devs for specific patches under NDA.

As before, how exactly are you going to enforce that NDA?
How exactly are you going to enforce your nonfree License / Copyright?
How exactly are you going to stop users plugging it into overlay networks?

Do you think cryptoanarchy cares about those things?

Are you going to beg and vote and pay for the State to go shoot people dead?

> It is fully AGPL only of the software is executed on a licenced mainnet

Then it seems not AGPL, it seems some proprietary license that cannot
use the name AGPL. Good luck...

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

> The point is that to perform Sybil carries a considerable cost. That's the
> fundamental law sustaining hashcash (BTC's PoW)

PoW is hard real work. IPv4 are artificial and cheap,
entire CIDRs and neighborhoods will be rented, and cracked
boxes, and source code changed, and more.

The only reason distributed real cryptos work is mutual financial
disincentive against breaking the rules. If Sybil breaks the rules,
Sybil loses value in proportion to the breakage, therefore Sybil
does not break the rules.

IPv4 seems artifical restriction upon users freedom and privacy.

Unless there is whitepaper formally showing why it is not.

>> > I first solve the system assuming IP4 disclosure is OK for 80% of the
>> > people.

You said 100% of the people must disclose their IPv4 to run
their node, seems assume that 100% of people will be happy with
no privacy. Now you say 80%. But how can that 20% happen if you
don't let users run over overlay networks?

> And this is to allow a resiliency model based on number of nodes (as oposed
> to CPU power), which is much more aligned with democracy, as every node
> benefits from the profit generated by the system evenly.

Where is the whitepaper on this democracy.

> It is not premine, everything 'mined' so far has done in the clear.

USPS meets one of crypto internets definition of crypto premine already above.

USPS had private selected closed-invitation-only-mode for ~4 months,
and secret hush hush cabal for 1+ year, and no sourcecode ever.

That's hardly free, fair, opensource, and in the clear, freedom
for all to come and play from day one of Genesis no restrictions.
USPS is going to take heat for that.

> It is easy to verify how many 'satoshis' should be a in circulation since
> genesis.

What if there "should be" 10, how are you going to show the users
that there "are exactly" 10?
How are they going to know the bags in the current network hold exactly 9?

> And easy to verify the theoretical number matches the actual amount in
> circulation.
> Proving that no alterations to cryptoeconomics has been done since then.

Even privacy coin like ZEC XMR has ways to evaluate the coinbase and inflation.

With no code and no paper, users cannot.

> ask to restart

Many from the crypto internet would suggest USPS a new Genesis.

> How this action would be taken by people who are running a node since long
> ago?

USPS and them was not a fair and open start, it seems a premine,
so this question does not matter.

> I could not do this announcements because there wasn't resources to do so.
> Although discrete announcements was made on public forums like reddit,
> https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptodevs/comments/abs2yj/low_cost_public_system/

That's a low traffic niche dev forum, not something mass popular like
/r/cryptocurrency,
/r/raspberry_pi, or even /r/btc, /r/netsec, /r/privacy, etc. Post cost
is $zero resource.

> So, from your perspective this could be a premine, from the perspective of
> current running nodes the network is going on.

Go ask popular reddit cryptocurrency forums what they think
the modes and effects of a premine is. Don't ask me.

> Premine means reserving a share of tokens before launch. USPS didn't do
> this.

USPS hush team have received a share of tokens before
general public release launch. Matters they did, not how.

> What USPS did was to grow slow in the open.

No, it seems was to selected FFF and hush hush team.

> Anyway, Satoshi Nakamoto accumulated million bitcoins, you accuse me of
> pre-mining and if I did, Satoshi did.

Satoshi released opensource code and whitepaper, no restrictions,
freedom for all, to the world, new Genesis, first... certainly before
mining any significant like millions. Most definitely nor for over year
before wide release in relative quiet.

> USPS is not a coin.
> USPS is more than a coin
> You can create your own coin in it though.
> Dont call it coin please. It is not a coin.

You said and implied in times and places that it is a coin.
It seems fundamental underpinning is as a coin function.
It proposed to buy/sell/trade as a coin.
Whatever social wrappers anyone put around it, it still seems coin function.

> I don't know what you nmean by privacy coin.

Search: "privacy coins"

> You can always join to be earlier than the rest, everyone is invited to join
> the earliers.
> Obviously there are people who are already running nodes, they all deserve
> every penny they earnt since they joined.

Most sane people are going to want to see paper and source before
they invest any time or money in buying, setting up, and running
something. If that takes long maybe they will consider it likely to
be mined out and decline to adopt, which drives pennies to zero.

> When user base is big enough a dev-community will be started. GPL

GPL? Then where did AGPL go.

>>     Else you will have everyone publicly declaring you and
>>     these 60 nodes of 1+ year worth of premine as frauds,
>
> This would be real FUD in an excercise of twisting the reality.

The internet of cryptocurrency is very likely to view USPS
as a premine. That is just information for your consideration.

The internet is not my retarded self, and is not on this list,
the internet is out there somewhere :)

> You can do basic macroeconomic math as explained above.

Potential adopters cannot do that without the paper and source.

> Anyway who cares about how much crypto has been generated so far

Yes, if amount in the coinbase and inflation mean nothing to them,
then they should just stick to Fiat, because then Fiat is what they will get.

> still in alpha, there's plenty of time and little amount has been pumped in
> comparison with the max. [int64 space]

Meaningless without paper and source.

> I cannot let them down restarting the blockchain.

But you just said there is plenty of "int64" left for them ;-)

> Basically the number every node has earned are directly proportional to the
> time they've been in. Fair.

Better to ask the internet of cryptocurrency about any fair.


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