UN invitation for Cypherpunks

Zenaan Harkness zen at freedbms.net
Sun Dec 27 20:58:14 PST 2020

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 03:06:37PM -0500, Karl wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 1:09 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:41:14 -0500
> > Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know how to stop posting right now.
> > >
> > > On 12/26/20, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:34:58 -0500
> > > > Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >         so why isn't jakobo moishe rosenblitt spewing his nazi-jew
> > > >> > mental derangement in a more suitable enviroment?
> > > >>
> > > >> I could ask you the same, coder.
> > > >
> > > >     yes and the answer is : I'm not spewing any nazi-jew nonsense. Or
> > > > trumpofascist propaganda like donald, grarpamp and harkness. Or
> > > > technofascist propaganda like jim bell. Or calling for the
> > > > US-military-musk-NSA non-human criminals to attack iran, north korea, and
> > > > other 'oppresive regimes' like jim bell. Or even sicker war propaganda like
> > > > professor-turd's nuke-japan vomits. Or promoting the global, wholly-fascist,
> > > > flu farce like jim bell and many others. Et cetera.
> > >
> > > Obviously you are.
> >
> >         So quote me saying anything that defends the western political-economic powers in any shape or form.
> here:
> > > >     yes and the answer is : I'm not spewing any nazi-jew nonsense. Or
> you're spewing conflict, turning people against each other, which is
> how my nation keeps the status quo.

Karl, this quote you pasted of Punk, is not him "defending the western political-economic powers".

> >         FYI, unlike any of the other posters here, I've done my homework regarding liberal political philosophy and I can defend it. The other posters  however are either outright fascists or fake 'libertarian' posers.

Karl, this quote you pasted of Punk, is also not him "defending the western political-economic powers".

> it's rough to have to say everything backwards.  nobody ever understands you.

When for you, reality is so painful that you often prefer and role-play being "insane", you also sometimes get caught up in that role play game, and lose track (lose the connections in the conversation, lose memory af what happened, what was said, and evidently even lose track of the meaning of something you just now copy and pasted).

It might be more comfortable to you to exist in your "role play illusion", but conversation with you, from an onlooker, starts to look pointless, and ultimately a waste of our time.

Punk is a hard core existentialist/ rationalist, fwiw, and so if you are going to try to challenge him as you just tried (and failed), you need to be on very solid ground if you wish to "succeed" in your challenge.

If your criteria for that "success" is some other axis than "correctness" and "based in fact", then other folks will struggle to understand you, and at some point may well give up attempting to (or bothering to) communicate with you at all... which of course is another criteria of "success"...

> > > >     So hopefully the answer to your question shows how fucked this list is, and
> > > > further shows that the problem has fuck to do with 'coding'.
> > >
> > > Why are we posting here?  You and I are posting here as part of a
> > > brainwashing program, targetting the other hackers.
> >
> >
> >         You and I are different persons, and are doing different things. And you obviously don't know what *I* am doing.
> With regard to what I'm a part of with you, I can't know.  I'd force
> myself to forget if I did.

This position you take (or worse, live) is from the perspective of some people, a problem leading to (say) my own conclusion that communication with you may well be useless to any practical ends...

How can you have any meaningful relationship with another, if you choose to forget the facts/reality of your connection with that other person?

You may not want meaningful relationships, that's of course a matter for you, but succeeding in meaningless relationships is surely a "success" not worthy of bothering with.

> > > brainwashing program, targetting the other hackers.
> >
> >         Maybe you enjoy playing crazy, but you better not confuse your role playing with reality.
> Reality is way worse, and you know it.

Karl, your words "you know it" are problematic because thay project upon your target that they know something, or in this context, agree with you that "reality is way worse than playing crazy".

Many (perhaps most) people find role-playing to be occasionally fun, in a childish and whimsical way, but intolerable on any regular basis, and certainly intolerable when one seeks greater awareness and truth in the reality we find ourselves within, and when we want to try to find solutions to problems we face.

My personal assumption about you, your particular existence, is that you have experienced past trauma from which you escape or try to handle by a few tools such as "playing crazy".

That may be a useful survival tool for you.

But the suggestion is that it is unwise to project your need for this tool, upon others.

Good luck and God speed, Karl,

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