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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 05:54:13 -0500
Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:


> 
> I haven't seen that, and it sounds a little strange to me.  Do you have a photo?

	better description : they are BGA chips, but instead of being packaged in plastic, the top of the chip is a mirror-like crystal. There are absolutely no markings on them. 

> 
> I usually plan to use phones by installing apps on them using their
> existing operating system.  With Kivy you can write python that runs
> the same on iOS and android.


	Ah I was thinking about trying python on retardphones. Still, that means using a fully  compromised 'platform' at all levels from hardware to OS. 

> 
> Here in new england we say 'dumbphone' for the phones that have a
> black and white display and don't kidnap your eyeballs and social
> connections with advertisements, to counter 'smartphone'.

	Funny because the 'dumbphones' are marginally better than the 'smart' kind and calling them 'dumbphones' is just govcorp 'marketing'.


> 'smartphone' i think usually gets some descriptor around how it is
> watching you all the time without your consent. 'retardphone' is more
> appropriate but nobody in my communities understands that the danger
> warrants and causes the name, yet.

	that's how it is...


> 
> >         Same thing with printers : the old ones have many parts that can be remade into a '3d printer', but the new ones have a small board with some kind of SoC which is completely useless, unless you have their 'propietary' manuals. And even then the chip is likely to be locked.
> 
> The manuals or at least some information used to be findable on the
> internet if one learned the meaning of the numbers on the chip
> package.  

	Yeah, in this case I didn't bother trying to find the manual because I assumed it woudn't be there. Because I know from experience that the manuals for newer, bigger, more integrated chips are kept secret using NDAs and similar 'IP' garbage (HEY JIM BELL)


> Sometimes they were in chinese, though.  I've never pulled a
> microcontroller from a printer, though; I've only looked at smaller
> chips in that kind of space.  I found an article once on reverse
> engineering chip circuitry using a confocal microscope and some
> analysis software.  My friend had a confocal microscope, but I only
> learned he had it around 2013 when my life stopped.
	

	You probably could get a working device and reverse engineer it while running, but that's a lot of work. 
	
	https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/06/hackers-farmers-and-doctors-unite-support-for-right-to-repair-laws-slowly-grows/

	notice that the de facto and legal situation is that technofascists have almost completely control. And the proposed way to 'fix' the problem is to try to patch the technofascist legal system. 
	


> >
> >         I've found a few microcontrollers but they are useless without manuals, even if the fuses were not blown.
> 
> I found manuals on the website of the chip manufacturer.  I was able
> to order more chips from them, to experiment with, too, for
> cents-per-chip.


	All the mictrocontrollers I use were bought first hand. At least here there's no 'natural', dumpster-located source for them.


> 
> > > but I understand that there is much better
> > > material available on how, nowadays 7 years later.
> > >
> >
> >         Actually as times goes by stuff gets more and more miniaturized and integrated...and becomes un-recyclable.
> 
> Very precise tools needed eventually.


	the kind of tools that you won't find on a dumpster - the kind on tools that only govcorp has. 


> 
> >         but HEY, this is SCIENTIFIC PROGRESS and the FREE MARKET, and SCIENCE WILL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING and <insert more technofascist slogans here>
> 
> We are Science.  We leap off the cliff of faith into the happy
> community of workers below.  Somebody's always caught us before!
> 
> Of course, the scientific community/ies are thinking about all this
> stuff with a lot of potential wise deliberation.  Their power is just
> filtered by the journals, funders, institutions, and communities they
> work with.


	I don't think that's the case. The vast majority of members of the 'scientific community' are evil to the core assholes who know pretty well what they are doing.



> 
> > > You could make a puppet to continue my side of the argument, saying
> > > something like 'home 3d printing is way better than industrial
> > > factories' over and over again.
> >
> >
> >         Yeah, I don't disagree with the concept, but it's easier said than done.
> 
> The concept of the puppet or of the printer?


	The concept/idea of recycling electronic devices. 


> 
> Maybe I see where you're coming from better.  3d printers are used by
> people who don't need them, for fun.  So it's hard to use them where
> the concept would be needed; the concept isn't reasonably designed for
> a real-world community.  They're more like a daydream that is
> discovering the value of helpfulness but hasn't found it yet.


	What I was objecting to is the original claim 

 	"this link helps technophiles make unlimited unregulated  firearms" 

	because while that's more or less technically true, it doesn't imply any kind of increased political freedom (which is ultimately what I care about).


> 
> Makerspaces started making medical supplies in the usa for this
> coronavirus thing, but they weren't on top of it.  The makerspace
> model could have expanded medical capacity instantly by spreading the
> norm of helping and learning to help, rather than the help itself, but
> instead corporations and governments want to be in control and the
> makerspaces and mutual aid efforts are still kept relegated to
> hobby-types who happen to be interested, rather than recognised as a
> solution that can be far faster and more effective than centralised
> aid.

	Yes, there's a political side to it. But there's also a technical side. So called 3d printig is better suited for slow and small scale production. Mass production is likely to be more 'efficient'. Of course, decentralized and less 'efficient' producion is a trade off that allows people to gain more political freedom, but cnsumerist fucktards don't care about freedom.