acceptable coinage/ currency/ money

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 04:26:38PM -0700, Douglas Lucas wrote:
> Soo much complete bullshit from Zenaan as usual. See below for those
> others interested in knowledge.
> 
> On 10/10/19 11:11 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > 
> > Humans seem prima facie inclined to engage in transactions of
> > "currency" (e.g. fiats) or "money" (fiats, gold and silver coin,
> > digital coin, etc).
> > 
> > As we recently learnted from Jordan Peterson, hierarchies are rather
> > fundamental to our biology, and indicate strongly the pyramidal
> > distribution of wealth, status and mating opportunities.
> > 
> > AKA "skewed distribution of wealth".
...
> Trade is what outgroups do. I don't trust you, so I'm not gonna do X for
> you unless you do Y for me. And those most skilled at trading rise to
> the top of this, as lobster fanatic and benzo addict Jordan Peterson
> screams, but did you know for hundreds of thousands of years not all of
> life is based on trade?

Did somebody say "all of life is based on trade"? Perhaps you read
some other email than the one you thought you were replying to?

Pareto distributions however:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution

  Originally applied to describing the distribution of wealth in a
  society, fitting the trend that a large portion of wealth is held
  by a small fraction of the population, the Pareto distribution has
  colloquially become known and referred to as the Pareto principle,
  or "80-20 rule", and is sometimes called the "Matthew principle".
  This rule states that, for example, 80% of the wealth of a society
  is held by 20% of its population. However, one should not conflate
  the Pareto distribution for the Pareto Principle as the former only
  produces this result for a particular power value, α {\displaystyle
  \alpha } \alpha (α = log45 ≈ 1.16). While α {\displaystyle \alpha }
  \alpha is variable, empirical observation has found the 80-20
  distribution to fit a wide range of cases, including natural
  phenomena and human activities.

pretty much all of biological life is characterised by pareto
distributions.

Those third sigma alpha lobsters are going to metaphorically bite
you (us), to the extent at least that we ignore this part of our
shared reality.


> Over time in ideal circumstances trade might
> lead to the traders becoming ingroup with each other, ending the trade,
> and starting up sharing / fluid custodianship of assets. But in today's
> world the deli never changes because of overwhelming social control
> exerted by corporations, states, etc. You have to trade for the reuben,
> even though the deli worker behind the counter has come to know you from
> your regular stops and y'all share good tidings with each other,
> friendly comments on the rainy weather, etc. The sharing prosocial world
> and the trade antisocial world exist side by side every time you stop at
> the deli counter, two vibes or spheres uncomfortably overlapping.

Sometimes, and sadly, yes.

However, many of us have a fine first hand example of at least the
beginnings of "a sharing culture" in the guise of FLOSS.

For some, significance, good feels, social status, and possibly even
actual altruism, is sufficient to create in the software realm and
give ones creations away.


> Trade means non-traders, such as very disabled individuals or infants or
> elderly, are forced to rely on shameful charity rather than being
> treated as integral parts of the ingroup. Today in the capitalist ideal,
> everyone is their own 'sole proprietor' of an outgroup of everyone else,
> 7.5 billion outgroups all competing, except for say families, or when
> people start forming ingroups, as they do in so many situations. You can
> tell trade is stupid for ingroups because it doesn't include
> automatically infants and elderly etc. Able-bodied white people with no
> kids please! Yeah, let's base all the rules on 30 year olds and just
> kick infants and elderly to the curb with shameful charity. Makes a lot
> of fucking sense as a lifelong, generations-long strategy /sarcasm.
> "Where there's justice, there's no need for charity." -- Wollstonecraft

Our present world leaves a lot of humanity by the wayside, and many
suffer for it - including able bodied childless individual
(i-divide-u-all) "consumers" - there are more and more examples these
days where this dynamic hits women in their early to mid 30s pretty
hard - they realise that their attractive fertile years have been
wasted on the cock carousel (muh individual freedom/ fun/ good life)
and that such a narcissistic lifestyle is not exactly fulfilling -
certainly not in later years - "freedom from" parents, grand
children, a true support network which family provides.

Some funny dating site ads pop up on daily stormer here and there,
e.g. the 18 year old "wanna be model" looking for a fit handsome
billionaire "who must be socialist", or the late-30s ex porn "star"
(initially advertised as "professionally successful woman seeking to
settle down") hoping for life long love and support for her and her
child, now that her "best" years are behind her.


> We need a global commons for public data so we can organize effectively
> to knowledgeably replace the social structures, not just cheering on
> corporate Twitter etc when the current ones continue to collapse (and
> then when our number's up screaming that we deserve more cryptocoin to
> float our own particular outgroup boat), and so there can be a literate
> population that can maintain individual autonomy (which means so much
> more than trade but also cooking skill, traveling skill, etc etc)
> through individual rights but also be informed in agreeing to social
> contracts etc because we're simultaneously very social creatures.

Stability or "structure" in relation to ones physical existence
implies or needs/requires:

 - actual capacity to support one's own existence (food, water,
   medicine, shelter)

 - 'genuine' relationships in meat space, since the above is either a
   fair bit more work, or not enjoyable/ what's the point anyway

 - motivation to live, to actually stay alive, e.g. to care for
   parents, grandparents, children etc - to contribute to others in
   one's community or "in group"

 - freedom to do the above things pursuant to one's will


> Stuff you should read for more similar or similar-ish to the above:
> 
> Peter Gelderloos: _Worshiping Power: An Anarchist View of Early State
> Formation_
> 
> Heather Marsh: _Autonomy, Diversity, Society_ and _Binding Chaos_ and
> https://getgee.xyz
> 
> Ursula K Le Guin: "The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction", _The Dispossessed_



Let's create our world,