Tor Stinks re Traffic Analysis and Sybil (as do other networks)

Steven Schear schear.steve at gmail.com
Mon Nov 25 09:51:13 PST 2019


I'm convinced there are too many security issues for high privacy
communication over networks that eventually utilize or terminate on
commercial facilities. Only specially designed, ptp, wireless comms using
OTP or other trusted keying, combined with appropriate tradecraft are
likely to be effective against nation state resources. Recall WW IIs
wireless warriors.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:04 AM grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:

> >       by 'low latency' they mean two things :
> >
> >       1) 'efficient' use of data transmission capacity, i.e. whether
> chaff is
> > sent(expensive)  or not.
>
> Chaff might be really only "expensive" if
> 1) Monetary, user chose to pay for it under metered plan,
> or refuses to buildout free p2p, guerilla, mesh networks.
> 2) Bandwidth, if chaff does not get out of the way upon
> demand by wheat for carriage.
> 3) Footshoot, user attempted to feed a higher committed
> rate to their CPU or internet than either can handle.
>
> >       2) actual low latency. In order to prevent timing attacks, packets
> need to
> > be reclocked, which means adding delay, which results in higher
> 'latency'.
>
> While reclocking is likely necessary part of TA defence,
> many CPUs and NICs can handle line rate processing,
> and the committed rate to an overlay network can be
> set below both the physical link speed, and the rate
> bought from the ISP within which the overlay rides.
> User or overlay can create its own processing headroom
> by choosing a lesser rate.
> Also, depending on nature of input, reclocking may not
> necessarily imply additional average delay, as packets
> and gaps between them might be simply normalized.
> randomized and or distributed within the same overall sum.
> Sure maybe due to variety of hardware making up an
> actual overlay network and users paths in it, and other
> processing demands, latency may be higher than
> non chaff network, but maybe not by enough to actually
> preclude use of low latency apps such as voice chat, IRC, etc.
>
>
> > any low-latency web onion router - could not defeat The Man
>
> This seems yet to be lacking proof and perhaps
> cannot actually be said without it.
>
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