Your Cypherpunks archive

[Razer]

DUDE! I was just viewing posts I put on a yahoo hosted blog in 2005 via wayback machine and most of the links are dead. 1995 is fucking well prehistoric... Sorry you believe everything on the internet is permanent... Wayback found nothing on your mail list earlier than anyone else here, the stuff is simply GONE. Get over it. Even Cloud storage goes byebye sometimes. No one is guaranteeing shit. The internet comes with a Taillight Warranty.

Rr
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On November 1, 2019 11:28:24 AM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>How can I tell?   I looked for a VERY specific thing:  The date that
>Part 1 of my AP essay appeared on the CP list, copied by somebody I
>don't recall from the Digitaliberty list (Bill Frezza) where I had
>originally posted it.  Apparently that person thought it was
>appropriate for CP, and copied it.  So far, so good, in 1995.
>But NOW, that information is unavailable.  But that's not the only
>thing:  So far, we can only find comments mentioning AP as early as
>November 1995.   And yet, many posts by "Jim Bell" are plentifully
>available, with the exception of my postings on the subject of AP.  In
>other words, a rather selective omission, don't you think?  And other
>people's comments on the same subject are missing, too.   Curiouser and
>curiouser.   And I get comments from you which don't actually
>acknowledge that a problem might exist:  Merely criticism.   As if you
>don't LIKE me noticing that at least hundreds of specific postings are
>mysteriously missing,
>Then, I notice below that you claim that I have "right-wing
>proto-fascist libertard politics".   Oh, really?   I think most people
>noticed, eventually, that when I wrote AP, I didn't insert a political
>point-of-view in it,  From the standpoint of AP, it simply didn't
>matter WHY a person didn't like government, AP offered him a way to get
>rid of it.
>So, why are you now saying, "right-wing proto-fascist libertard
>politics"?   Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction in terms?  Maybe
>you ought to go back and edit your comment to make it at least
>internally consistent, and ideally even logical from some identifiable
>political POV.  
>Now, I will throw you a bone here:   Yes, at various times in the past,
>mostly long past, SOME people decided to claim that my AP essay was
>"right wing".  (We are talking the mid-1995's, although later examples
>do exist.)  This initially floored me, but I eventually figured it
>out:   Evidently, they read AP, and presumably they noticed the
>complete lack of indications that it was written by a typical
>left-winger.  It didn't SOUND "left-wing".  It didn't hit any of the
>typical "left-wing-notes" that a usual leftist screed would do.   
>Yet, AP was clearly hugely revolutionary.  And since it wasn't
>"left-wing", and being revolutionary couldn't possibly be "centrist", 
>the unimaginative people decided that the only point remaining on the
>2-dimensional political spectrum they were aware of was "right-wing". 
>So, they (the leftists) claimed that AP must have been "right wing"!   
>What else could they say?
>However, I suspect that more than a few right-wingers were initially
>aghast by AP, as well:  Their precious governments were going to be
>utterly destroyed!   The control they carefully built up over decades
>would come crashing down,  In 1995, I suspect that both the left and
>the right were equally upset at the AP idea.  
>I think that history illuminates your comment about "right-wing
>proto-fascist libertard politics".   Utter nonsense, as just about
>everybody else will see, if not admit.
>             Jim Bell
>
>
>On Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:48:02 AM PDT, Razer <g2s at riseup.net>
>wrote:  
> 
>Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you
>paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan.
>
>Rr
>Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
>
>
>On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks
>archive.  A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my
>assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about
>April/May 1995 are simply not there.  And, in fact, postings on the
>subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. 
>And perhaps after November 1995.
>I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I
>think it will be very important to find out this information.  
>I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that
>the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks
>list.  It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound,
>there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but
>I don't know what time the tampering occurred.  
>We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list.  I assume you will want
>to participate.  
>              Jim Bell
>  

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