Censors steer cryptography at metzdowd.com mailing list, kill free and open discussion
gbnewby at pglaf.org
Wed Jul 31 10:50:06 PDT 2019
On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:
> List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.
(This report is from last Friday)
Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately.
> On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Rethread from
> >Priv said:
> >>> Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing
> >> that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces
> >No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking.
> >cryptography at metzdowd.com is run by silly censors.
> >> Perhaps this would be a good time to
> >Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere.
> >> You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list
> >> 554 5.7.1 <cryptography at metzdowd.com>: Recipient address rejected:
> >> you must be a subscriber to cryptography at metzdowd.com to post to the
> >> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If
> >> you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list
> >> owners at cryptography-owner at metzdowd.com.
> >To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages
> >posted through to the list that in any way justify
> >this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because
> >the list is under total moderation... as such, said
> >"moderaters" have personally approved every single
> >poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore
> >every message posted to the list, including mine,
> >has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully
> >compliant with charter and fully endorsed by
> >"moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every
> >oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even
> >objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to
> >which there were effectively no substantive objections
> >therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to
> >themselves being censored on objections, thus
> >any of those objections were logically deemed invalid
> >by moderator that action serving as a double approval
> >by moderator.
> >There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship
> >will be permitted to open original thread discussion
> >on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful
> >in raising argument direct to censorious moderators...
> >history shows both those as generally futile efforts...
> >thus there can be no real expectation that the censored
> >should even bother trying such avenues of recourse.
> >To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube,
> >Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them
> >and move to better solutions.
> >Instead of following on from the rare mentions of
> >censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full
> >original thread discussion with and for subscribers
> >on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved
> >tens of one sided threads and posts through to the
> >list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference
> >links, conversation and data from being posted in
> >reply to those very same threads and posts moderators
> >approved in the first place, or by direct notice...
> >Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and
> >logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically
> >related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list.
> >Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless,
> >and supports above status, as again, the list is under
> >total moderation whereby all posts must be approved,
> >and the ban button has zero effect on other fora.
> >At least now more people know the list is unreasonably
> >biased and censored.
> >""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic
> >technology and its political impact ... security and
> >privacy technology and its impact ... technical
> >aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of
> >cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ...
> >export ... laws ..."
> >Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment
> >of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem
> >Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of
> >Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored
> >there, and that no other games are being played with
> >crypto topics... who knows.
> >I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias,
> >hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open
> >discussion on the cryptography at metzdowd.com list such
> >that the list membership may become apprised
> >and participate as the ongoing source of moderation
> >guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful
> >to charter original threads approved are able to
> >enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all
> >subscribers interested in doing so respectably within
> >thread topic as developed.
> >Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to explode...
> >For more fun... besides searching this list for more
> >"cryptography at metzdowd.com" censorship logs,
> >and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown
> >at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy
> >over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved
> >even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted
> >prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra
> >Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there...
> >... you have no idea what got censored in that thread,
> >or in any other thread there over the years, because there's
> >zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly
> >being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed
> >with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered.
> >Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers,
> >GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of
> >the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things?
> >And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing
> >Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual...
> >Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...
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