“America has never made income taxes lawful in a free and fair referendum” - People unite against (((big gov))) - [PEACE]
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Sat Jan 26 17:11:14 PST 2019
To all the empire apologistas who seek every excuse under the sun to
defend Trump's and the USA's/ CIA's foreign meddling, election
interference and outright coups (Ukraine) and coup attempts underway
(Venezuela), here's a simple list of 'the usual excuses' that the
terminally ignorant (or CIA operatives) put forth over and over
Johnstone: Top 5 Dumbest Arguments Defending Trump's Venezuela
Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via Medium.com,
Ever since the Trump administration announced that it was no longer
recognizing the legitimacy of the elected government of Venezuela
I’ve been arguing with people on social media about this president’s
brazen coup attempt in that country. The people arguing with me in
favor of Trump’s interventionism are almost exclusively Trump
supporters, with leftists and antiwar libertarians more or less on my
side with this issue and rank-and-file centrists mostly preferring to
sit this one out except to periodically mumble something about it
being a distraction from the Mueller investigation.
I engage in these arguments not because I enjoy fighting with
strangers on the internet, but because it helps me get an idea of
what propaganda narratives have been seeded throughout various
political sectors. Take a stand online and you’ll quickly have people
running up to you saying, in effect, “My media echo chamber told me
I’m supposed to disagree with you about that,” and spelling out what
they’ve been told to believe.
I have not received a single robust argument in favor of Trump’s
Venezuela interventionism, but I have received a whole lot of really,
really stupid ones. Here are the top five most common and most
astonishingly idiotic of them:
1. “Socialism is bad!”
Me: US interventionism is always disastrous and it always lies
about its reasons for targeting South American and oil-rich
nations. Tsunami of Trump supporters: SOCIALISM IS BAD THO
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) January 25, 2019
This one is easily the most common and most stupid of all the
arguments I’ve been receiving. I’m not familiar enough with pro-Trump
punditry to be able to describe how the MAGA crowd got it into their
heads that attacking Venezuela has something to do with fighting
socialism, but it’s clear from my interactions over the last couple
of days that that is the dominant narrative they’ve got swirling
around in their collective consciousness. Most of my arguments on
this issue have either begun as or very quickly spun into an attempt
to turn the debate about US interventionism in yet another South
American nation into a debate about socialism vs capitalism.
Which is of course absurd. The campaign to topple Venezuela’s
government has nothing to do with socialism, it’s about oil and
regional hegemony. The US has long treated South America as its
personal supply cabinet and destroyed anyone who tried to challenge
that, and the fact that Venezuela has the most confirmed oil reserves
of any nation on the planet
makes it all the more central in this agenda.
Yes, the fact that large sectors of its economy are centrally
planned means there are fewer hooks for the corporatocracy to find
purchase to manipulate it with, but that just helps explain why the
US is targeting it with more aggressive measures, it doesn’t excuse
the aggressive targeting. Venezuela does not belong to the United
States, and attempting to control what happens with its resources,
its economy and its government is an obscene violation of its
Trying to turn a clean-cut debate about US interventionism into a
debate about socialism is like if your family found out that your
sister had just been raped, and you all started bickering about the
pros and cons of feminism instead of focusing on the crime that had
just happened to your loved one. It wouldn’t matter what kind of
economic system Venezuela had; trying to overthrow its government is
not okay. The narrative that this has something to do with
championing capitalism is just a hook used to get Trump’s base on
board with another unconscionable foreign entanglement.
2. “It’s not interventionism! There are no boots on the ground.”
Thread documenting some of the horrific actions facilitated by
the Trump administration's new special envoy to Venezuela. Not
for the squeamish.https://t.co/FVWEEDaIwM
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) January 26, 2019
Oh yes it is interventionism. Crushing
, CIA covert ops
, illegally occupying embassies
, and a campaign to delegitimize a nation’s entire government
are absolutely interventionism, and that is happening currently.
It’s stupid to make “boots on the ground” your line in the sand
when, for example, vast amounts of US resources can easily be
poured into fomenting a “civil” war that could kill hundreds of
thousands and displace millions as we saw with Syria. And from
today’s news about the Trump administration’s appointment of
bloodthirsty psychopath Elliot Abrams
as the special envoy to Venezuela, it’s very reasonable to expect
things to get a whole lot bloodier. Modern warmongering isn’t
limited to the form of “boots on the ground”, and making that your
litmus test is leaving yourself open to all the same disasters
ushered in by the Obama administration.
3. “Maduro is bad!”
I have many critiques- from the left- of the Venezuelan govt.
But in no way should anyone support a US backed- or Ruling
Class backed- opposition and coup.
The argument ppl starved by US sanctions should support a US
backed unelected leader to stop US sanctions is just crazy.
— Boots Riley (@BootsRiley) January 24, 2019
I’ve never entered into any kind of argument about whether or not
Nicolas Maduro is a nice person, because it’s not my game. If I spent
all my time analyzing the quality of all the world’s governments I’d
never get anything done; I focus my time and energy on the
imperialism of the US-centralized power alliance because I see it as
the single most dangerous force in the world. I’ve got no more reason
to go picking apart the quality of Venezuela’s government than I do
any other country in the world, yet my arguments against US
interventionism in Venezuela are consistently met with a tsunami of
social media posts about what a bad, bad man Maduro is.
I refuse to legitimize that false argument. It doesn’t matter whether
Maduro is a saint or the worst person in the world; Venezuela is a
sovereign nation and US regime change interventionism is always
disastrous. Completely ignoring the obvious fact that the empire
always launches an aggressive propaganda campaign to manufacture
support for the elimination of its targets, there is no valid reason
to support that targeting. Trying to drag the conversation into a
debate about just how bad Maduro is is an attempt to legitimize an
agenda that has no validity.
4. “I support the Venezuelan people!”
Tfw you care deeply about democracy in Venezuela
— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) January 23, 2019
Again, that’s not the argument. The argument is whether it’s okay for
the US government and its allies to violate Venezuela’s sovereignty
with starvation sanctions, CIA covert ops, an active campaign to
delegitimize its government, and possibly much worse in the future in
order to advance the agenda of overthrowing its political system.
Of course there are people in Venezuela who don’t like their
government; that’s true in your own country too. That doesn’t make it
okay for a sprawling imperialist power to intervene in their
political affairs. You’d think this would be obvious to everyone, but
over and over again I run into people conflating Venezuelans sorting
out Venezuelan domestic affairs with the US-centralized empire
actively meddling in those affairs.
The US government doesn’t give a shit about the Venezuelan people; if
it did it wouldn’t be crushing them with starvation sanctions. It
isn’t about freedom, and it isn’t about democracy. The US backs 73
percent of the world’s dictatorships
because those dictators facilitate the interests of the US power
establishment, and a leaked State Department memo
in 2017 spelled out the way the US government coddles US allies who
violate human rights while attacking nonconforming governments for
those same violations as a matter of policy. Acting like Trump’s
aggressions against Venezuela have anything to do with human rights
while he himself remains cuddly with the murderous theocracy of
Saudi Arabia in the face of intense political pressure is willful
ignorance at this point, and it’s inexcusable.
5. “You don’t understand what’s going on there! I talk to Venezuelans
This is too perfect.
Anti-Maduro Venezuelan on 19 January: "I'm living in the cutest
apartment in Paris studying fashion... life is good"
24 January: "I live here [Venezuela]. I live this. live with
having rationed food, toilet paper, basic human necessities."
— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) January 24, 2019
Do you now?
First of all, this common argument is irrelevant for the reasons
already discussed here; sure there are Venezuelans who don’t like
their government, but their existence doesn’t justify US
interventionism. Secondly, it’s a known fact that online trolls will
be employed to help manufacture support for all sorts of geopolitical
agendas, from Israel’s shill army
to the MEK terror cult’s anti-Iran troll farm
to the Bana Alabed psyop for Syria
. And here’s this example
, just for your information, of a Twitter account talking about how
much fun she’s having in Paris and then a few days later claiming
she’s in Venezuela waiting in “5+ hour queues to buy a loaf of
bread.” Be skeptical of what strangers on social media tell you
about what’s happening inside a nation that’s been targeted by the
And that’s about it for this article. Let’s all try and talk about
this thing with a little more intelligence and sanity, please.
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 04:36:51PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Pence: Venezuelan Maduro is “a dictator with no legitimate claim to
> power” who has “never won the presidency in a free and fair
> Is that so? The USA really wants to dictate to other countries how
> which things the people get to vote upon?
> Like the most basic things such as whether we have an income tax or a
> "goods and services" tax?
> And (thank you CNN) Macron is the leader of "the Free world" with 17%
> popularity whilst gassing his own people protesting, and Trump
> gassing people trying to "illegally" enter the USA is the greatest
> evil this world has ever seen?
> Really truly gassing your own people is ok a la France's Mar-con?
> Perhaps we really need to start a public dialog about whom it is OK
> to gas, and whom it is not OK to gas - or perhaps whom may
> legitimately gas other humans, and which other humans may not
> legitimately gas other humans?
> Because gassing humans is ok when it protects the state, but not ok
> when it is to protect the state?
> I'm so confused I'm literally shakiNPC - not good!
> Maduro orders ‘total revision’ of Venezuela-US diplomatic
> ties after Pence calls for regime change
> Venezuela: Look, this is a democracy...
> CIA: You think you got a democracy muffaluggerah?! Eat my balls!
> #CoupsForAll #CIARules #AmericaIsADemocracyOfValues
> Australia: That's not a democracy, THIS is a democracy!
> Macron: Poodle oi oi, piss thee, may we?
> Ocasio /ourlatinx/: 80% income tax rate will stop global warming!
> Trump: So big. So beautiful. #OurWall #BigWall - Big, beautiful wall!
> John Young: The wall schematics, /ourlatinx/ nudes and Saddam's WMDs
> are all now in cleartext on http://cryptome.org - and we understand
> that which you don't understand, so don't even THINK about asking
> for HTTPS certificates on the web server.
> Anon: Dang dude! That's some -serious- crypto balls - deep state shit
> exposed, and not even encrypted!
> David Duke: The wall will help protect a future for white children.
> Andrew Anglin: When in finally comes, this f***in wall better be white!
> Dalai Llama: The rapefugees should be sent back to their own country
> to help build the wall!
> Pelosi: Damn you Trump, no free ride to Afghanistan for the CIA's
> latest orphanage pizza party! Commercial my arse, I'm gonna ride
> Obama there instead!
> Sinn Féin: American pussys! Bomb it like it's 1999 already, mofos!
> Corbyn: If only we had an oven big enough to "Gas the Jews" - ha ha,
> so funny :)
> Meechan: Hey! That's MY joke!
> Anglin: Step aside bro, step aside!
> Sanhedrin: Oy VEY! So many anti-semitic jokes, ve must be shutting it
> down already - police must DO something already, this is literally
> getting Out Of Control there is WAY too much goyim knowing!
> You must NEVER, EVER, under ANY circumstances joke about Hitler,
> see? Because this is beyond the limit that you all know is free
> speech - Nazi is definitely not free to speak, OK?
> Entire world: Please le Juif, remind us your semitic victimhood for
> what is it, 5 thousand years already? I'm not quite sure I got that
> bit about being kicked out of every single country, every single
> time (somtimes multiple times), for 5000 years? Can you please
> remind me just one more time how it everybody else's fault, it is
> always us troublesome goyim? We are not quite understanding and
> DEFinitiely need more educating - perhaps a few more holocaust
> museums to remind us of all the literally shaking facts,
> masturbation machines and literally built after WWII fake Auschwitz
> chimneys? I'm really not sure I have the full picture, so please,
> please don't let me interrupt you and educate us all another 6
> million times.
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