Will De Blasio "tax the hell" out of the super rich"?

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On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 00:58:47 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:


>>> It would be held by people who believe that government should exist, 
 
>> Not at all. I am simply stating a fact. 'Tax cuts' for big business are a subsidy for big business. I never said government should exist. I obviously think it shouldn't exist. 

> Calling something a "subsidy" merely because they are robbing from "big business" LESS is a grotesque way of referring to it.  

	Nah. My statement is factual. I guess you don't like some facts? =) - But let me state this basic economic fact again : being taxed less has the same effect as being granted a  SUBSIDY. And it is a PRIVILEGE - a special law that only applies to some people. 

	I agree, what the US government and 'business' like apple do is grotesque. 


>Further, "big business's" profits can be paid to stockholders.  So, taxing those profits amounts to taking away money from individuals.  


	Of course a 'corporation' is a bunch of (criminal) individuals. I mentioned that other basic fact in a previous message. The 'corporation' is a bunch of individuals who enjoy state granted privileges. Anti free market, anti libertarian to the core. 


 
> >   I'm confident in pointing out that the way you seem to be siding  with big business that are corrupt to the core is not libertarian at all. 

 
> There is nothing inherently 'unlibertarian' about having corporations, at all. 

	Of course there is. A corporation is a creation of the state's legal system. 

> A corporation is merely a legal construct, initiated in the late 1700's. 

	by western, fascist, mercantilistic states. And not late 1700, but at the begining of the 18th century. See south sea company, east india company, etc. 
	

> People wanted to be able to invest in a company, without the risk that if the company failed, they would be liable for not merely the money they invested, but for their entire worth as well.

	right, so called 'limited BY THE STATE libability'. A government privilege. Liberalism is based on personal rights - life, liberty property. "Limited liability" is not part of those rights. 



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>    > side note : traditionally the vast majority of people who posed as libertarians wanted 'limited goverment' and so 'limited taxation' or 'limited theft'...which is of course still theft. 
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> I, too, was a 'minarchist libertarian' until January  1995, because I independently recognized the existence of that which David Friedman called "The Hard Problem":  How would a libertarian or anarchist region (analogous to 'country') exist if it couldn't tax its own citizens to fund a defense? 

	there's no such hard problem.

	Also, you're completly wrong in believing that liberalism/libertarianism rests on 'expediency'. The state must be overthrown because it's just a criminal organization, full stop, end of the story. It doesn't fucking matter WHO WOULD PICK THE COTTON.

	And libertarians in the 19th century had already proposed systems in which 'defense' was provided by private, VOLUNTARY associations. 


> Ironically, I was the one to solve that problem, inventing/discovering my Assassination Politics idea.  Now, not only is an anarchist region stable, in principle no region with a conventional government stable, since their  government would shortly be taken down by just about everybody.  


	And yet that hasn't happened. Maybe your system doesn't work? 

 
>>> Merely having money, a lot of it, does not automatically make anyone 'the enemy'.  Rather, it is how they obtained that money, the influence they exerted, perhaps by and through government, that's the problem.   Get rid of the mechanism of using governments to obtain influence, that impropriety can and should disappear.  

 
>>   And in the real world we live in, ruled by CORPORATISM, the rich obtained their money thanks to the government. This is the ABC of libertarianism. If you don't believe me I suggest you look at the evidence : 

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> Then a good solution is to eliminate the government(s) that corporations can/do use to obtain power.  

	Right. Meanwhile some people should stop pretending that corporations are not part of the government and FULLY LIABLE for their crimes and the crimes of their partners, the government.