Censors steer cryptography at metzdowd.com mailing list, kill free and open discussion

Greg Newby gbnewby at pglaf.org
Thu Aug 1 08:01:50 PDT 2019


On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:29:14AM +0000, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On July 31, 2019 5:50:06 PM UTC, Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org> wrote:
> >On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:
> >> List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.
> >
> >(This report is from last Friday)
> >
> >Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any
> >ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as
> >promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately.
> > - Greg
> 
> Hi Greg -
> 
> I noticed the problem when I tried to click on the link
> grarpamp sent, it 404'd and going to lists.cpunks.org
> loaded the Gutenberg site. But, it all started working 
> properly later on that same day, or sometime soon after
> (I can't remember precisely , but it came back quickly)

I think this was just bad luck at visiting the site while the service was being restarted. It takes a few seconds for all the Apache virtual hosts to reinitiate.

  - Greg


> >
> >> On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Rethread from
> >> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html
> >> >
> >> >Priv said:
> >> >>> Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing
> >> >list
> >> >> that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces
> >> >
> >> >No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking.
> >> >
> >> >cryptography at metzdowd.com is run by silly censors.
> >> >
> >> >> Perhaps this would be a good time to
> >> >
> >> >Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list
> >> >
> >> >> 554 5.7.1 <cryptography at metzdowd.com>: Recipient address rejected:
> >> >> you must be a subscriber to cryptography at metzdowd.com to post to
> >the
> >> >list.
> >> >
> >> >> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list.
> >If
> >> >> you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list
> >> >> owners at cryptography-owner at metzdowd.com.
> >> >
> >> >To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages
> >> >posted through to the list that in any way justify
> >> >this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because
> >> >the list is under total moderation... as such, said
> >> >"moderaters" have personally approved every single
> >> >poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore
> >> >every message posted to the list, including mine,
> >> >has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully
> >> >compliant with charter and fully endorsed by
> >> >"moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every
> >> >oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even
> >> >objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to
> >> >which there were effectively no substantive objections
> >> >therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to
> >> >themselves being censored on objections, thus
> >> >any of those objections were logically deemed invalid
> >> >by moderator that action serving as a double approval
> >> >by moderator.
> >> >
> >> >There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship
> >> >will be permitted to open original thread discussion
> >> >on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful
> >> >in raising argument direct to censorious moderators...
> >> >history shows both those as generally futile efforts...
> >> >thus there can be no real expectation that the censored
> >> >should even bother trying such avenues of recourse.
> >> >To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube,
> >> >Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them
> >> >and move to better solutions.
> >> >
> >> >Instead of following on from the rare mentions of
> >> >censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full
> >> >original thread discussion with and for subscribers
> >> >on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved
> >> >tens of one sided threads and posts through to the
> >> >list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference
> >> >links, conversation and data from being posted in
> >> >reply to those very same threads and posts moderators
> >> >approved in the first place, or by direct notice...
> >> >Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and
> >> >logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically
> >> >related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list.
> >> >
> >> >Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless,
> >> >and supports above status, as again, the list is under
> >> >total moderation whereby all posts must be approved,
> >> >and the ban button has zero effect on other fora.
> >> >
> >> >At least now more people know the list is unreasonably
> >> >biased and censored.
> >> >
> >> >""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic
> >> >technology and its political impact ... security and
> >> >privacy technology and its impact ... technical
> >> >aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of
> >> >cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ...
> >> >export ... laws ..."
> >> >
> >> >Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment
> >> >of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem
> >> >Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of
> >> >Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored
> >> >there, and that no other games are being played with
> >> >crypto topics... who knows.
> >> >
> >> >I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias,
> >> >hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open
> >> >discussion on the cryptography at metzdowd.com list such
> >> >that the list membership may become apprised
> >> >and participate as the ongoing source of moderation
> >> >guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful
> >> >to charter original threads approved are able to
> >> >enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all
> >> >subscribers interested in doing so respectably within
> >> >thread topic as developed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to
> >explode...
> >> >
> >> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html
> >> >
> >> >For more fun... besides searching this list for more
> >> >"cryptography at metzdowd.com" censorship logs,
> >> >and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown
> >> >at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy
> >> >over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved
> >> >even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted
> >> >prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra
> >> >Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there...
> >> >
> >>
> >>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html
> >> >
> >> >... you have no idea what got censored in that thread,
> >> >or in any other thread there over the years, because there's
> >> >zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly
> >> >being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed
> >> >with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered.
> >> >Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers,
> >> >GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of
> >> >the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things?
> >> >
> >> >And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing
> >> >Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual...
> >>
> >>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html
> >> >
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers
> >>
> >>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo
> >> >
> >> >Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...




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