Censors steer cryptography at metzdowd.com mailing list, kill free and open discussion

Thu Aug 1 04:29:14 PDT 2019

On July 31, 2019 5:50:06 PM UTC, Greg Newby <gbnewby at pglaf.org> wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:
>> List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.
>
>(This report is from last Friday)
>
>Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any
>ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as
>promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately.
> - Greg

Hi Greg -

I noticed the problem when I tried to click on the link
grarpamp sent, it 404'd and going to lists.cpunks.org
loaded the Gutenberg site. But, it all started working 
properly later on that same day, or sometime soon after
(I can't remember precisely , but it came back quickly)

Thanks
John

>
>> On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Rethread from
>> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html
>> >
>> >Priv said:
>> >>> Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing
>> >list
>> >> that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces
>> >
>> >No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking.
>> >
>> >cryptography at metzdowd.com is run by silly censors.
>> >
>> >> Perhaps this would be a good time to
>> >
>> >Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list
>> >
>> >> 554 5.7.1 <cryptography at metzdowd.com>: Recipient address rejected:
>> >> you must be a subscriber to cryptography at metzdowd.com to post to
>the
>> >list.
>> >
>> >> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list.
>If
>> >> you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list
>> >> owners at cryptography-owner at metzdowd.com.
>> >
>> >To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages
>> >posted through to the list that in any way justify
>> >this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because
>> >the list is under total moderation... as such, said
>> >"moderaters" have personally approved every single
>> >poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore
>> >every message posted to the list, including mine,
>> >has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully
>> >compliant with charter and fully endorsed by
>> >"moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every
>> >oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even
>> >objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to
>> >which there were effectively no substantive objections
>> >therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to
>> >themselves being censored on objections, thus
>> >any of those objections were logically deemed invalid
>> >by moderator that action serving as a double approval
>> >by moderator.
>> >
>> >There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship
>> >will be permitted to open original thread discussion
>> >on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful
>> >in raising argument direct to censorious moderators...
>> >history shows both those as generally futile efforts...
>> >thus there can be no real expectation that the censored
>> >should even bother trying such avenues of recourse.
>> >To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube,
>> >Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them
>> >and move to better solutions.
>> >
>> >Instead of following on from the rare mentions of
>> >censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full
>> >original thread discussion with and for subscribers
>> >on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved
>> >tens of one sided threads and posts through to the
>> >list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference
>> >links, conversation and data from being posted in
>> >reply to those very same threads and posts moderators
>> >approved in the first place, or by direct notice...
>> >Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and
>> >logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically
>> >related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list.
>> >
>> >Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless,
>> >and supports above status, as again, the list is under
>> >total moderation whereby all posts must be approved,
>> >and the ban button has zero effect on other fora.
>> >
>> >At least now more people know the list is unreasonably
>> >biased and censored.
>> >
>> >""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic
>> >technology and its political impact ... security and
>> >privacy technology and its impact ... technical
>> >aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of
>> >cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ...
>> >export ... laws ..."
>> >
>> >Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment
>> >of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem
>> >Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of
>> >Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored
>> >there, and that no other games are being played with
>> >crypto topics... who knows.
>> >
>> >I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias,
>> >hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open
>> >discussion on the cryptography at metzdowd.com list such
>> >that the list membership may become apprised
>> >and participate as the ongoing source of moderation
>> >guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful
>> >to charter original threads approved are able to
>> >enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all
>> >subscribers interested in doing so respectably within
>> >thread topic as developed.
>> >
>> >
>> >Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to
>explode...
>> >
>> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html
>> >
>> >For more fun... besides searching this list for more
>> >"cryptography at metzdowd.com" censorship logs,
>> >and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown
>> >at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy
>> >over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved
>> >even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted
>> >prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra
>> >Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there...
>> >
>>
>>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html
>> >
>> >... you have no idea what got censored in that thread,
>> >or in any other thread there over the years, because there's
>> >zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly
>> >being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed
>> >with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered.
>> >Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers,
>> >GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of
>> >the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things?
>> >
>> >And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing
>> >Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual...
>>
>>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ
>> >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech
>> >
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo
>> >
>> >Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...
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