Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[Marina Brown]

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On 01/02/2018 08:53 PM, John Newman wrote:
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> On January 2, 2018 6:07:37 AM EST, Ben Mezger <su at seds.nl> wrote:
>> I don't think you actually understood my point (nor did I
>> actually specify it precisely).
>> 
>> I did read __some__ of Jame's messages and I think it's also
>> damn pathetic too. I am not taking any sides here, I just think
>> you are both wrong
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> James is way way more wrong, by virtue of being total scum.
> 
> Ack, I just wasted more list bandwidth discussing this shiT 
> stain... wtf is wrong with me !?
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>> about personally attacking each other (or it seems like so at
>> least) on a public email list on hacker culture. Wether you take
>> it as a humiliation or not, that's up to you. You should take it
>> as an advice that even if someone lowers their level, you should 
>> not do the same and perhaps sometimes is better to give a time
>> before replying.
>> 
>> Do whatever is healthier for you.
>> 
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>> On 2 January 2018 at 11:49, Cecilia Tanaka
>> <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Jan 2, 2018 02:08, "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn at rushpost.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 01/01/2018 02:45 PM, Ben Mezger wrote:
>>>> since when did cpunk got so personal specially on a public
>>>> list?
>> and
>>>> since when has cpunks become a sexual diary?
>>> 
>>> Personally, I would rather read flagrant personal attacks and
>> outright
>>> pornography from Cecilia than even one-tenth of the flagrant
>>> racist (including white supremacist), anti-semitic, homophobic,
>>> and
>> dishonest
>>> spam that eminates from the like of those who I now call #$%&
>>> and
>> #$%&#$
>>> %&#$%&#$.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn,
>>> 
>>> I thank you sincerely, but please let this topic die forever.
>>> Ben
>> did
>>> probably not read James' messages and his personal attacks to
>>> me or purposely ignored them.  He criticized only my answers
>>> and, well, his aggressive public reaction was a really precious
>>> lesson to me.
>>> 
>>> **I swear I will never try to help another unknown and foreign
>> runaway
>>> hacker, depressed enough for considering killing himself,
>>> sincerely offering my home and my personal contacts to give him
>>> some support.**
>>> 
>>> He could simply give me a sincere heads up in private about my
>> messages,
>>> honestly criticizing them and their content, when, only some
>>> weeks
>> ago,
>>> contacted me in private asking about me.  I was so, really so
>>> happy
>> for
>>> knowing his personal storm was apparently finished and he was
>>> doing good...  I was very stupid.
>>> 
>>> Well, not my problem anymore.  He knows very well how much I do
>>> hate
>> false
>>> and hypocrite persons and I will never trust him again.  Really
>>> sorry
>> for
>>> wasting my time last year, reading his "pathetic" private
>>> messages
>> asking
>>> for help and answering to them when he was feeling deeply sad
>>> and
>> lost.
>>> 
>>> I hate the sensation of being humiliated in public for someone
>>> that I
>> used
>>> to trust, someone who used to be my friend, but it is
>>> evidently
>> **not** a
>>> problem for him, so he will not waste his time reading this
>>> message
>> and
>>> giving it an answer.  Anyway, he died for me yesterday and I
>>> think a supposed "badass hacker" knows very well how to create
>>> messages
>> filters.
>>> 
>>> Wish you all a lovely day.  I will lurk for some time because
>>> it will certainly be much healthier for me.
>>> 
>>> ** I am feeling really sick about hypocrite disgusting people
>>> who
>> think
>>> it's OK to post White Supremacist and Nazi content, but it's
>>> really shocking to mention sex.  It's f_cking creepy and unfair
>>> because
>> James'
>>> messages mentioning **MY** supposed sexual life can be freely
>>> posted,
>> but
>>> if I mention **HIS** sexual life, I am annoying the CP list
>>> and
>> destroying
>>> it.  Aff, deeply ridiculous situation...**
>>> 
>>> D'oooh, too much stupid contradictions and drama for nothing...
>>> ;P
>>> 
>>> Take care, dear all.  Or not, your choice only.
>>> 
>>> c.
>>> 


I stand with Ceci.

I'll take her light hearted fun stuff over
the far right babblings that have pushed decent
discussion off this list for the most part.

How did we get to this point ?

- --- Marina
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