Documentary: Stateless - Anarchy Emigrates by Todd Schramke
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Mon Dec 17 19:28:35 PST 2018
On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:48:02 PM PST, furrier <furrier at protonmail.ch> wrote:
>These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted.
I understand what you are saying. Despite the fact that I have called myself an anarchist (libertarian-anarchist) since 1995, I have noticed with dismay that a lot of people who call themselves "anarchists" (and a lot of people who are called "anarchists") are actually just big-government-loving socialists, embarrassed at the failures of socialism.
For a comment that's better than I'd take the time to write, see: https://attackthesystem.com/2017/12/19/free-association-is-not-fascism-how-many-times-does-it-have-to-be-said/
A partial quote by Keith Preston, which also quotes others inside:[partial quote begins]
Another claim is that anarchist communities and associations must be “inclusive.” Of course, anyone who has spen time around the general anarchist milieu knows how exclusionary anarchists actually are. I generally like to cite this comment made by a former an-com some years ago as an illustration:
I used to be an anarcho-communist. Actually, I started out as someone who was vaguely sympathetic to mainstream libertarianism but could never fully embrace it due to the perceived economic implications. I eventually drifted to social anarchism thanks to someone who’s name I won’t mention, because it’s too embarrassing.
After hanging around them for a while I realized that, for all their pretenses, most of them were really just state-socialists who wanted to abolish the State by making it smaller and calling it something else. After about a year of hanging around Libcom and the livejournal anarchist community, I encountered people who, under the aegis of “community self-management”, supported
- smoking and alcohol bans
- bans on currently illicit drugs
- bans on caffeinated substances (all drugs are really just preventing you from dealing with problems, you see)
- censorship of pornography (on feminist grounds)
- sexual practices like BDSM (same grounds, no matter the gender of the participants or who was in what role)
- bans on prostitution (same grounds)
- bans on religion or public religious expression (this included atheist religions like Buddhism, which were the same thing because they were “irrational”)
- bans on advertisement (which in this context meant any free speech with a commercial twist)
- bans on eating meat
- gun control (except for members of the official community-approved militia, which is in no way the same thing as a local police department)
- mandatory work assignments (ie slavery)
- the blatant statement, in these exact words, that “Anarchism is not individualist” on no less than twelve separate occasions over the course of seven months. Not everybody in those communities actively agreed with them, but nobody got up and seriously disputed it.
- that if you don’t like any of these rules, you’re not free to just quit the community, draw a line around your house and choose not to obey while forfeiting any benefits. No, as long as you’re in what they say are the the boundaries (borders?) of “the community”, you’re bound to follow the rules, otherwise you have to move someplace else (“love it or leave it”, as the conservative mantra goes). You’d think for a moment that this conflicts with An-comm property conceptions because they’re effectively exercising power over land that they do not occupy, implying that they own it and making “the community” into One Big Landlord a la Hoppean feudalism
So I decided that we really didn’t want the same things, and that what they wanted was really some kind of Maoist concentration commune where we all sit in a circle and publicly harass the people who aren’t conforming hard enough. No thanks, comrade.
Of course, it is also true that these “anti-fascist” folks really don’t care about “exclusion,” anyway. As I mentioned, many of them are Communists, state-socialists, and social democrats, and even the anarchist contingent among them seems to be little more than dupes and useful idiots. What they are really concerned about is “exclusion” on politically incorrect grounds, while insisting on retaining the right to “exclude” whomever or whatever they want for themselves. Therefore, an Anarcho-Marxist Politically Correct Commune=Good, Conservative Religious White Folks Enclave=Horrible, and People of Color Racial Separatist Community=Understandable Because History Except That Ikcy Homophobia Part.
However, much of this “debate” is for naught. While it is certainly true that some people might prefer to live in ethnically, racially, religiously, politically, sexually, etc. exclusionary communities given the freedom of choice to do so, the meta-politics of a civilization organized on the principle of free association (i.e. anarchism) would come much closer to resembling the Mr. Spockian ideal of “infinite diversity in infinite combinations” than, for example, the Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Orania, or Kiryas Joel. A better model might be to review the endless array of culturally, religiously, ethnically, professionally, academically, occupationally, or politically themed organizations that are listed in the Yellow Pages of any major city, or the list of organizations found on the campus of a large university.
No doubt the “anti-fascists” regard themselves as heroic freedom fighters, and as regular Sophie Scholls who deserve a pat on the back for doing their part to prevent the next wave of genocides (all the while including hammer and sicklers in their ranks). Fortunately, they are as politically irrelevant as their neo-Nazi tribal enemies.
[end of very long partial quote by Keith Preston, quoting others as well.]
I believe that I agree wholeheartedly with the above commentary. Jim Bell
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