Tim May 1992 Post on Future of Cyberspace/Cryptology/Digital Money/Transnationalism

[Zenaan Harkness]

Happy "solstice" thank you very much! We'll have none of that
hemisphere bigotry Down Under (TM)(R)(NPC) tyvm :)

Only tolerance-Nazis ought be allowed to post - Censoreship for all :D



On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:49:35PM +0200, Cari Machet wrote:
> I LIKE TO SAY: PURITY IS A COFFIN
> 
> some freedom some imprisonment - just like life we are free we just happen
> to be experiencing life in a very limited container
> 
> so what about those pesky little undersea cables all going to the turtle
> island - u s of a ?
> 
> umn without them we got nothin goin too fast anywheres
> 
> when did they get laid ? 1854
> 
> by a coorporation
> 
> life is a build and dualism has run its course ... good and bad boys do
> good and bad things and sometimes what they do that is considered bad ends
> up being overall good and vice versa
> 
> happy winter solstice - when the sun is still - all the beautiful people on
> this listserve
> 
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 9:19 PM juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
> > jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >> 26 years is "forever" in technology.   26 years ago, very few people
> > had even heard of the "Internet".
> > >
> > > >    Actually in the last 26 years there hasn't been any significant
> > 'technological' change *at all*. The only thing that happened is that
> > microelectronics got relatively cheaper.
> > >
> > > You forgot that in 1992, typical dialup modems worked at 9600 bps.  Now,
> > most people have access to 25 megabits/sec Internet.
> >
> >
> >         I don't think I've forgotten that. That fact isn't just too
> > relevant to what I'm saying.
> >
> >         TM : "Networks are multiplying beyond any hope of government
> > control,"
> >
> >         Point is, 26 years ago there was no 'technological' reason for
> > that to be true just like there's no reason for that to be true now.
> > Networks were (supposedly...) beyond govcorp control simply because govcorp
> > wasn't devoting many resources to control them, not because they lacked the
> > 'technology' to control them.
> >
> >         Yet another point is who 'owned' those networks. Oh wait, they
> > were and are owned by a few monopoplies chartered by the government,
> > monopolies that are of course just arms of the government.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I occasionally see people in discussion areas claim that "the U.S.
> > Government" was responsible for making "The Internet".I shut that talk
> > down,
> >
> >
> >         You do? =) Yet it is a plain historical fact that the US govt and
> > military were heavily involved in the creation of the internet.
> >
> >
> > >by pointing out "Do you think that The Internet would have 'worked' if a
> > person, at home, had to connect up to his ISP at with a 300 bps modem?
> > 1200 bps?  2400 bps?"I counter by pointing out that the people REALLY
> > responsible for a usable Internet were those who developed the 9600 bps,
> > 14,400 bps, and 28,800 bps modems.  Rockwell, USR (US Robotics), Hayes,
> > Telebit, and a few others.  Had that not existed, it would have been hard
> > to make the Internet available to most people.
> >
> >
> >         The main or only reason those audio modems were developed was to
> > use the existing telephone lines. Yet in 1995 ethernet run at 100
> > megabits...
> >
> >
> >
> > > It took a lot of work to learn how to shove 28.8Kbits/sec down a 3000 Hz
> > channel.
> >   By and large, those people who did that were the ones who made the
> > Internet of the late 90's possible.
> >
> >
> >         Nah. On the other hand, it's true that all the hardware was
> > produced and is produced by pseudo 'private' government chartered firms.
> > Which is how highly corporatist mixed economies work.
> >
> >         Bottom line : the belief that freedom is 'served' by 'technology'
> > is fully detached from reality.
> >
> >
> 
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