latest NSA offering?

[Mirimir]

On 08/02/2018 09:54 PM, juan wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:05:04 -0700
> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
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>> On 08/02/2018 01:46 PM, juan wrote:
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>>> 	https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/
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>> You never know ;)
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>> So have y'all heard any more about the cat fight between PIA-cofounder
>> rasengan and ProtonVPN? The protonmail account on HN basically claimed
>> that PIA cooperates with the Chinese government.[0] And that this
>> accounts for the fact that the GFW wasn't blocking PIA as thoroughly as
>> other VPN services.
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>> And that presumably triggered rasengan's attack on ProtonVPN and
>> NordVPN.[0,1] He's criticized both for failing to disclose connections
>> to Tesonet. And he's characterized Tesonet as a data-mining service,
>> riffing on their competitive-intelligence pitch.
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>> Tesonet is apparently an enterprise VPN service, in Vilnius, which
>> focuses on B2B competitive intelligence. So maybe the allegations
>> regarding ProtonVPN and NordVPN are misleading. I mean, Tesonet is
>> serving data miners, but is arguably not data-mining its own customers.
>> And any VPN service could data-mine its customers ;)
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>> But it is quite the cat fight :)
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>> And really, it'd be amusing if PIA actually were China-centric. That'd
>> arguably make them _more_ secure for those concerned about the NSA.
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> 	Oh interesting. Thanks for the info.

And hey, now AirVPN has piled on NordVPN and ProtonVPN :)

https://airvpn.org/topic/28876-why-you-can%E2%80%99t-trust-nordvpn/

> 	I wonder about falkvinge and PIA. My thoughts on the subject aren't too clear, but it's something along the lines of : falkvinge and and a vpn associated with him seem to be high profile/a high value target so they must have been attacked? Compromised?  

He's relatively new to PIA, since 2016. And I'm not sure what "head of
privacy" means. I doubt that he has a very technical role.

I'm overall somewhat ambivalent about PIA. A US court subpoenaed logs,
and they said "we have no logs". And that was apparently the end of it.
But that could of course have been just a dumbshow. They do support lots
of privacy-friendly stuff, though.

But bottom line, you can't assume that any VPN is honest and not
compromised. That's just how it is. And so you must deal with it.

>> 0) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17254113
>> 1)
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/anyone-using-protonmail.394862/page-2
>> (near the end)
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