the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not

Mirimir mirimir at riseup.net
Sat Aug 11 15:17:45 PDT 2018


On 08/11/2018 02:05 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:43:07 -0700
> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/09/2018 08:42 PM, juan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700
>>> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not very useful. 
>>>>>
> 
>> Sure, there are better options. But they're not currently implemented at
>> useful scale. How can you use a mix network that exists only as an
>> academic paper, and perhaps some tens of people testing it?
> 
> 	Oh my bad. I misread  and thought you said they were not being implemented because they could not possibly be useful. Since you had said that tor was 'good enough' for AP, I assumed that you further added that slow mix networks were not really needed, so no demand and no supply.
> 
> 
> 	But you are saying that a critical mass of users is required, which is of course true, and something I never denied...So not sure how that comment of yours is 'helpful'? =)

OK, I'm glad. We at least agree that better anonymity networks are
needed. In particular, higher-latency mix networks with padding. And I
think that we agree that lack of demand has stalled implementation, even
though there have been proposals.

And so, I'm going to drop the rest of the discussion about this, because
I'm tired of it ;) I was serious about Riffle, though :)

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>> One of the major Russian marketplaces is (or was) on I2P.
>> Also lots of porn and CP, predictably.
> 
> 	By now I'm starting to suspect that your definition of 'child porn' is that of the puritan, jew-kristian, american government? Any girl under 18 wearing a bikini is 'child porn'? And even going by such 'definition' I don't think there's "lots of CP' on i2p or tor. 
> 
> 	Furthermore, you can find that sort of 'CP' on clearnet...

Ummm, no :) There are still many extreme .onion sites. Mainly "hard
candy". A quick scan yielded eight that were up when I checked:

Child a Priori - because children always come first
http://7vd5mehclc2zw4sw.onion/

Dark Scandals [pwned cam whores]
http://darksdsp6iexyidx.onion/

Hijab FUCK Girls
http://hijabxq3ctj6oufk.onion/

Little Cute Girls
http://girlsk34dlwyaqex.onion/

Loli Lust
http://lolimknaduomuzdr.onion

Sea Kitten Palace [gore, torture and Disney]
http://wtwfzc6ty2s6x4po.onion/

Teen Deepthroat
http://qa4t6wjhl4gzl5in.onion/
videos for Bitcoin

Youngest Girls
http://hq4etj553otlzb5m.onion/

Even so, the collections on Freenet are far more extensive.

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>>> 	"in the past you could find links on reddit to .onion sites that kinda looked 'uncensored'. Those sites do not exist anymore. But feel free to prove me wrong and POST EVIDENCE, that is, links to content that the 'authorities' would like to remove but can't. " 
>>
>> OK, let me see. I don't spend much time on .onion sites. Many sites did
>> disappear over the past year or two.
> 
> 	Many sites disappear EVERY year or two. That is, they don't LAST more than a year or two. And that's always been so. 
> 
> 	And actually it's probably getting worse because there isn't any upgrate to tor whereas you can expect the traffic analyisis capabilities of the enemy to be upgraded all the time.

OK, so I have spent a few hours rooting around for .onion sites. There
are multiple forks of The Hidden Wiki, plus a hard candy fork:

The Hidden Wiki [semi censored version]
http://zqktlwi465r2mxfw.onion/wiki/Main_Page.php

The Uncensored Hidden Wiki [but no hard candy]
http://2zmcyrryihrpdzka.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://uhwikih256ynt57t.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://uhwikihjqzr5tyll.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Central Park [including some hard candy]
http://boysopidonajtogl.onion/

Then there are a few search engines:

Ahima [search, fast, doesn't return many dead sites]
http://msydqstlz2kzerdg.onion/

not Evil [search, returns many dead sites, some marked as dead]
http://hss3uro2hsxfogfq.onion/

OnionLand Search Engine [heavily censored]
http://3bbaaaccczcbdddz.onion

Also some discussion sites:

Galaxy3 [general discussion]
http://galaxy3m2mn5iqtn.onion/

Hidden Answers [very diverse]
http://answerstedhctbek.onion

The Hub [dark marketplace stuff]
http://thehub7xbw4dc5r2.onion/

I did find a few cracking/hacking sites:

0day [hacking forum, also clearnet]
http://qzbkwswfv5k2oj5d.onion/

AN0NYM0US'z F0RUM [hacking forum]
http://rhe4faeuhjs4ldc5.onion/

Codex [cracking forum]
http://codexqutu7ytbguw.onion/

Torum ["cyber security" forum]
http://gf2juatsqdph6x2h.onion/

But most of the old standards are gone, such as Dark0de, Mazafaka and
Trojanforge. And "not Evil" returns numerous dead cracking/hacking
.onion URLs.

So anyway, it's my guess that most of the cracking/hacking sites, and
lots of other weird shit, were on shared .onion hosting that's been
taken down. And conversely, it's arguable that the surviving hard candy
sites are self hosted. Survival of the fittest, you know. But of course,
it's also possible (or even likely) that those hard candy sites are just
honeypots. As Playpen was, in the FBI's Operation Pacifier.

That's rather sad. But maybe now there's a strong market for secure
.onion hosting services :)

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