NY Times Op-Ed Blasts Cloudflare for Daily Stormer Terror

[Razer]

On 09/13/2017 12:07 PM, Marina Brown quoted Jim Bell:

> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
> way. 

Cmon Jim! You know better! That wing ding at the beginning of the
Persian Gulf Invasion? An Annapolis Ham Packet bbs that handled an
anti-war message? Remember?

The first node IS responsible for content, barring federal
intervention/regulation such as declaring a mode of operation or
organization, a "Common Carrier". DNSes have NO SUCH IMMUNITY.

Rr


> On 09/13/2017 02:30 PM, jim bell wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017, 10:50:40 AM PDT, Marina Brown
>> <catskillmarina at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 09/13/2017 07:04 AM, John Young wrote:
>>
>>> The Terrifying Power of Internet Censors
>>>
>>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/opinion/cloudflare-daily-stormer-charlottesville.html
>>>
>>> Terrifying!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a feeling that Internet Registrars and Cloudflare are doing this
>> for their own legal protection.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a feeling that you are inventing reasoning that would be, in
>> itself, illogical and quite stilted.  Sure, deluded people exist, but
>> organizations who are in control of such things have a responsibility to
>> not abuse their authority.
>>
>>
> Yes - i am only speculating, but there are lawyers out there who have
> brought up the possible charge. I spoke with one of them recently.
>
>>> It's long established law that conspiracy to commit genocide, ethnic
>> cleansing and to violate the human rights of groups of people is a
>> crime. Creating the theoretical framework for genocide is also a crime
>> as was evidenced by the conviction of Julius Streicher who authored
>> Daily Stormer's predescessor Der Sturmer.
>>
>>> It's Cloudflare and Registrars protecting themselves from being
>> complicit in human rights crimes.
>>
>>> And you know what. I don't blame them. I wouldn't piss on Andrew Anglin
>> if he was on fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but you are not even hundreds of miles away from being correct on
>> this.  To label DNS service, which is essentially monopoly, as
>> supporting "genocide" is about 3-4 leaps of logic, far too much to work.  
>> A few nuts spouting nonsense is far, very far, from "conspiracy to
>> commit genocide".  Merely providing necessary net services to them, just
>> as is done for thousands of sites, cannot possibly be described that
>> way.   Maybe you just have no respect for the concept of "Free Speech".   
>>
>>              Jim Bell
>>
>>
> I am concerned about the market monopoly of DNS service ...but
>
>>
>>
> This is not about speech. It is about people conspiring to commit
> genocide, ethnic cleansing and to remove peoples human rights.
>
> I am quoting law used in Neuremburg. ...The same law that was used to
> convict Julius Streicher.
>
> You cannot simultaneously enguage in free speech and a conspiracy to
> commit genocide. One is permitted, one is a crime.
>
> ...Unless you want to redefine free speech to include criminal conspiracy.
>
> We can oppose monopolies like DNS TLD without defending conspiracy to
> commit genocide.