Uber faces criminal probe over Greyball s/w used to evade regulation

Mirimir mirimir at riseup.net
Mon May 8 18:22:27 PDT 2017

On 05/08/2017 04:26 AM, Steven Schear wrote:
> Mirimir,
> This is what https://swarm.city/ is trying to bootstrap. Also,
> https://twitter.com/SwarmCityDApp

The site isn't clear. But I finally found the Boardwalk page at

So yes, "#Needaride", paid in tokens. The process of negotiating a ride
sounds rather complex, however. I like the reputation-based trust
aspect. Reminds me of SR, of course. That would arguably protect against
malicious parties on both sides, in that cops, rapists, etc wouldn't get
good ratings. But it'd be gameable, through building reputation in a
closed malicious group, unless there were checks for reputation between
the group and players overall.

It is cool, though :)

> Steve
> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>> On 05/07/2017 02:12 AM, Vasily Kolobkov wrote:
>>> [2017-05-06 20:21] "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn at rushpost.com>
>>>> Is Lyft any better? Is zTrip any better? If not, what should we use
>> instead?
>>> I bet on classical p2p systems. These have quite some road to walk
>>> and definitely need all the help you can give.
>>> Humans being humans, this ain't a magic pill, though the core
>>> principles leave much less for them to slide back into a usual
>>> corporatism/enslavement/etc.
>> I would certainly prefer open-source P2P ride-sharing apps, which simply
>> coordinate drivers and riders, with no central profit-stealing
>> corporations. However, I don't believe that Uber or Lyft are profiting
>> yet. They're relying on venture capital to build demand. They also
>> provide legal assistance to drivers, and pay fines. I'm not sure how
>> they deal with vehicles taken through civil forfeiture. So how would a
>> pure P2P system deal that those issues?
>> As long as hitchhiking is legal, one could argue that ride sharing is
>> just a technological improvement. Back in the day, I recall ride boards,
>> where you could arrange long-distance trips. And isn't an app equivalent
>> to a bulletin board?
>>> p.s. Not a taxi you where looking for, though should you be into
>>> selling/buying stuff - why not give OpenBazaar a try? This one seems
>>> to be pretty usable and with no central authority.

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