What is the value of the State?

[John Newman]

> On May 6, 2017, at 12:08 AM, juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, 5 May 2017 18:34:58 -0400
> Steve Kinney <admin at pilobilus.net> wrote:
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>>> On 05/05/2017 03:24 PM, juan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 May 2017 20:33:56 -0400 Steve Kinney
>>> <admin at pilobilus.net> wrote:
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>>>> The State fully endorses the Scientician approach, as the State's
>>>> sole function is to transfer money and power from the poor to the
>>>> rich at the fastest practicable rate.  As always, symbolic
>>>> "initiatives" and strongly worded press releases are sufficient
>>>> responses to public pressure to "do something" about, for
>>>> instance, global warming.
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>>> Well, the global-warming end-of-the-world scenario is just state
>>> propaganda. And notice that *global* warming requires a *global*
>>> solution, like, say, 'monitoring' and controlling the 'carbon
>>> footprint' of every individual. Pretty convenient, the world is
>>> saved and the whole world's population gets fully domesticated.
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>> So in short, you are telling us you don't know anything about
>> geophysics and don't need to find out:
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>    I think I know more about physics and its manipulation by state
>    mafias than you do.i ii
> 

What's your evidence that anthropogenic climate change is a massive hoax? I know we've been through this before and I don't want another flame fest.... I'm genuinely curious.

I ask because I've had some long conversations with people much smarter than myself whose area of research involves this, and the basic premise seems pretty simple and well established. Debating the nitty gritty details of how quickly we are warming the planet with carbon emissions and what exactly the effect is and will continue to be, on weather patterns, the oceans, permafrost,  etc etc - discussing this can obviously be done... 

It's not like anyone (the nation states of the world) is particularly doing anything to really fight the effect, except for very token gestures. In other words, if it's a massive hoax perpetuated by scientists all over the world, they and the various institutions they represent aren't really getting anything from said hoax. 

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>> Your version of Political
>> Correctness provides final answers to all meaningful questions about
>> the human condition.  That sounds more like conventional religious
>> fanaticism than the Scientician faith.
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> 
>    bottom line : you criticize the scientific mafia ONLY if they
>    say stuff you don't like. When your scientfic, state-funded
>    mafia vomits nonsense about the global reheating apocalypsis,ii
>    you love them. 
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>>> The technological, fascist 'progressives' are basically correct
>>> when they say that all technical problems can be solved. So if you
>>> expect their technical plans to catastrophically fail, you'll wait
>>> forever.
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>>> Aldous Huxley - The Ultimate Revolution
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>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WaUkZXKA30
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>> There's that Scientician faith in action!
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>    Not sure what you mean. Do you have any counterarguments for
>    Huxley? 
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>    So far, apart from your enviro-friendly, off-topic tangent, I
>    don't think you said anything too relevant to the problem of
>    technically efficient propaganda, brainwashing, mind-control or
>    whatever term is appropriate.
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