What is the value of the State?

Steve Kinney admin at pilobilus.net
Tue May 2 14:31:52 PDT 2017

Hash: SHA1

On 05/02/2017 04:50 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
> That's some good bit o' history.  I was really referring to the
> level of existing order needed to create *more* levels of order.  I
> don't think it's possible to argue with that.  It's like arguing
> what's the use of the Self?  BECAUSE without it you'd turn into
> little slime molds looking for food.
> But I like the sentiment.  I think the problem is more than the
> State. It's the pathetic infrastructure that would be an eyesore
> for centuries.

Bear in mind that the "State" is a model of governance, not a synonym
for governance.  It is a failed model, as witness the Anthropocene
Era's mass extinction even in progress and the pending human
population crash.

The most successful governments in history, from a quality of life and
durability perspective, organized as bands > tribes > federations,
governed by consensus-driven local councils.  There was no "Sovereign"
in sight, no presumption that the collective owns its members or their
supposedly personal property.  Nor did designated decision-makers have
the authority to enforce their orders by violent means.

Many people assume that keeping the World As We Know It intact and
walking it back to conditions comparable to the 1950s is humanity's
Great Mission Objective.  I don't mind calling that mind set a mass
suicide imperative.  If the image of lemmings running off a cliff did
not exist, it would have been necessary to create it.


Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)


More information about the cypherpunks mailing list