bitcoin incorporated

[juan]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 01:50:50 -0400
grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:14 AM, juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling
> > Debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdyIJ-BUPaU
> 
> Veys: "Expert coders yadda yadda"
> Ver: "Good ideas dont require force and good ideas dont require
> censorship. (And more fine quotes.)"


	Yes. And even funnier, the technical arguments coming from the
	'expert coders' aren't too impressive. For instance, they seem
	to be claiming that even small increments in block size would
	hopelessly cripple bitcoin's 'security'.
	
	Then there's the "bitcoin is digital gold" theory. Bitcoin's
	supply is fixed like gold supply is. That part of the theory
	makes a lot of economic sense. But then it turns out that gold
	doesn't impose any low limit on the amount of *transactions* you
	can do with it. OOPS. So bitcoin isn't digital 'gold' after all
	eh? 

	Another very funny thing is people claiming satoshi wasn't a
	'good coder' by which they mean that his programming style
	wasn't 'proffesional'. But regardless of programming style
	he  *desgined* the whole system. And the problems at hand
	are not 'coding' proglems but 'protocol design' problems.



> 
> Anyone can code, not everyone has philosophy or puts it into code.

	Yep. That's a pretty good summary.


> So Blockstream gets crushed in open debate.
> Simple larger blocks buy the time needed to come together under
> good ideas 

	Yes. It seems to me that trying small increments in size would
	be basic engineering practice and not horribly risky. But in
	reality the (non)argument against changing block size is based
	on conservative 'philosophy', it's not really technical...

	Or perhaps even simpler, it is a conspiracy to force
	developement/adoption of second layer solutions. Now, playing
	devil's advocate if the so called LN or something like that
	actually work as a fast, p2p network, then it wouldn't be too
	bad and the people who are currently manipulating block size
	would have a point, regardless of the underhanded means they
	are using.



to take on Visa, Fiat, and Governance.
> Or not. Or fork it. All valid.
> 
> Another long debate...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JarEszFY1WY
> 

	downloading


> And very short ones...
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci8IB-Lpe-c
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk2Umn4FlyA
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grFgUx4bPlo