dark web briefest intro - was Re: educate me Please

Razer g2s at riseup.net
Sat Jul 22 09:17:47 PDT 2017

On 07/21/2017 10:16 PM, John Newman chided ZH
> Send some more updates on the holohoax and some Russian propaganda - you know, what you mostly send, and what no one wants to see, or replies to.   ;)
> You're a joke.
> Or something...

Here's something...

"This Is Every Single Online Debate (and irl too!) I’ve Ever Had About

Me: [Writes something skeptical of the establishment Russia narrative.]

Russiagater: Oh! Hahaha! Look at this crazy Russia-denying bitch! Are
you just an idiot, or are you a Kremlin bot?

Me: Go away.

Russiagater: So I guess you’re just in total denial about [insert this
week’s plot-hole riddled “bombshell” story from the New York Times or
Washington Post]?

Me: That’s not a thing. In a couple days you’ll have absorbed some
arguments from outside your echo chamber, you’ll realize this isn’t the
smoking gun your television told you it is, and you’ll calm down.

Russiagater: Oh my God! You people are impervious to reason! The highest
level of our government has been infiltrated by a hostile nation!

Me: There’s zero proof of that.

Russiagater: What are you talking about? There are piles upon piles of
evidence! You just refuse to look at it because you love tRump
Trumplestiltskin Orange Hitler Putin’s boyfriend tRump tRump tRump!

Me: Dude I’ll literally fly to your house and suck your dick right now
if you can prove it to me.

Russiagater: There’s too much smoke for there not to be fire. The
circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The Trump Jr. thing, the Flynn
thing, the Manafort thing. Look at this graphic of Russian oligarchs
with red lines connected to Trump campaign staffers!

Me: That is not even a tiny bit remotely close to proof.

Russiagater: You’ve got your head in the sand! What will it take for you
to admit you’ve been wrong about this Russia stuff?

Me: Proof. Like, any. After the lies we’ve been told about Iraq, Libya
and Syria in the last few years I’m going to require a whole lot of
proof before I believe anything the US power establishment says about
Russia. Currently there is none. Zero. At all. Not for the Russian
hacking, not for “collusion” with the Russian government to hack the
Democratic party, not for treason, not for any of it. Not one single
part of your narrative is backed by hard, verifiable evidence.

Russiagater: They said that about Watergate. It took years to see Nixon
removed from office!

Me: Watergate began with a real burglary that actually happened. They
ran mug shots of the perps in the paper. Russiagate is comprised
entirely of unsubstantiated claims spoken in authoritative tones by the
same establishment loyalists who told us Saddam had WMDs.

Russiagater: Robert Mueller!

Me: Oh here we go…

Russiagater: It’s an ongoing investigation though! These things take
time. You don’t know they won’t find anything!

Me: See? See how that happened? You entered this conversation making
bold, confident-sounding claims that the White House has been taken over
by the Kremlin, and after a brief back-and-forth you’re mumbling
something about an ongoing investigation that might maybe lead to
something someday. Why did you do that? You guys do that every single
time. You start out loud, confident and assertive, and after a few
exchanges you’re telling me the investigation is ongoing and I don’t
know what they will or will not find. Why not just begin the
conversation with the posture you’re ending it in? Why not wait until
they do find something? Wouldn’t that be infinitely more honest than
beginning the conversation with claims you know you can’t substantiate?
Why are you helping to advance a completely unproven narrative?

Russiagater: So are you an idiot, or a Kremlin bot?

Me: Go away."

Caitlin Johnstone @Medium


Ps. As I've said before Expect ongoing COLLUSION between the US
government and Russia no matter which scumbag's in charge to rape the
extractive resources of the planet with China as slave shop nation
turning those resources into consumer items for the diminishing ranks of
the affluent of those three nations to buy.

Watch Syria. That 'ceasefire' is really a 'prelude to partition', and
testbed for further collusion.



>> On Jul 22, 2017, at 12:49 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:17:12AM -0400, John Newman wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:51:11PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/21/2017 08:26 PM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote:
>>>>>> One of the key features that the Tor company/group has never
>>>>>> implemented is chaff-filled network - that is, you specify "I want to
>>>>>> allocate 100 KB/s to my node, and I want that divided equally amongst
>>>>>> my outward connections, and any peer node that "randomly drops"
>>>>>> packets, becomes less trusted by me.
>>>>>> I asked the devs directly (or someone else did, can't remember for
>>>>>> sure), and the reason came back "our funding proposals for this
>>>>>> feature have never been approved" - which makes sense, since the CIA,
>>>>>> DIA, DOD and NSA fund the creation of the Tor network, they don't
>>>>>> want to fund features which make it much harder for them to uncloak
>>>>>> users they are targetting.
>>>>> Maybe funded, as in past tense. The current Tor project is not
>>>>> dependent at all on US government funding that I can see.
>>>> Shawn you're a funny lad - a little too transparent for your own
>>>> good but hey, that's better from my perspective :D
>>>>> If you can prove
>>>>> otherwise, please post the proof.
>>>> Oh please! Awesome - I love this in the morning, makes for a really
>>>> happy day which I know is pre-laced with humour unseen by the one
>>>> delivering the punch lines. Gold :)
>>>> Your transparency is causing me to not stop chuckling.  Juan is
>>>> sharper than I and he spotted you ages ago.
>>> Yes, Juan is. You're a moron.
>> You're evidently a deeply nuanced intellectual.
>> Or something ...
> You're a smarmy dictator & death squad loving little gullible twit who believes or pretends to believe some really noxious shit.
> Send some more updates on the holohoax and some Russian propaganda - you know, what you mostly send, and what no one wants to see, or replies to.   ;)
> You're a joke.
> Or something....
>>>>> The nice thing about free software is anyone can add those
>>>>> features, or pay for them to be added. So even your non-government
>>>>> or non-US programmers can change the code and run their own custom
>>>>> version of Tor.  The features you mention don't even break
>>>>> compatibility with the rest of the network, so that's not an issue.
>>>> Thank you for reiterating part of my email with which we evidently
>>>> agree on.
>>>> Have a great day - mine started out fabulous :D
>>>> Z

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