Russia's "eye-watering" military toys

[juan]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 22:39:51 -0400
Steve Kinney <admin at pilobilus.net> wrote:

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> On 07/07/2017 09:52 PM, juan wrote:
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> >>> 	On a related note, I see that the japanese are 'partners'
> >>> or forcibibly buy that kind of stuff. I assume that any weapon
> >>> 	that americunts sell is fully backdoored so I kinda wonder
> >>> what kind of retard can buy stuff from them...Well, the japanese
> >>> and many other seem to be just that kind of retard. 
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> >> <I know, I know, stating the obvious dept.>
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> > 	Are you? One obvious thing here is that what the russians
> > 	produce is also backdoored. Another obvious thing is that
> > you can trust the russians as much as you can trust americunts. 
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> I would not be so sure.  In the case of weapons earmarked for U.S.
> use, I would bet heavily that there are no (deliberately installed)
> back doors in their C&C systems:    Our military leaders may be
> passionately ignorant and profoundly neurotic, that they are not
> actually stupid. 

	I don't expect the weapons that the gentlemen at the
	pentagon use to be backdoored or sabotaged. Why would they
	sabotage their own systems and shoot their own feet?


> Lockout functions that take significant time and
> effort to defeat (when enabled) I take for granted, even though for
> decades the unlock code for all U.S. nuclear warhead firing circuits
> was a string of zeros.

	Ha, I didn't know that one. Not sure what to make of it...I
	guess reality is crazier than fiction, as usual. 

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> In the case of weapons eligible for export, I would only be a /little/
> less confident that back doors are not included:  One wants one's
> allies' weapons to work as advertised, and the blowback from
> discovered back doors would be very costly.


	I don't know...For starters I'd suggest the US has no
	allies. But regardless, it seems semsible to only export
	weapons that can't easily be used against you. So backdooring
	them is the obvious thing to do.

	If your 'customers' manage to disabe the backdoors, tough luck.
	But the thing is, the people who can disable backdoors can
	probably build the weapons themselves, so they are not likely
	to buy from you. On the other hand people who have to buy a
	complex system most likely can't audit it.


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> As is done with proprietary trade secret operating systems etc., these
> back doors would be called "bugs" or "design flaws" when discovered,

	"Bugs" are the perfect, 'plausibly deniable' way to fuck users.



> and this hard to disprove canard would be widely accepted as fact.
> But when (not if) back doors weapons systems are discovered, that
> would be Bad For Business:  Quality really counts when defending the
> interests of one's own billionaires from the servants of hostile
> overseas billionaires.


	Maybe, so the pentagon will sell, say, sabotaged radars to the
	'good' dictators so that they can bomb the 'bad' dictators, who
	bought stuff that's less capable than what the 'good' dictators
	have. 



> The consequences of back doors
> discovered /and/ exploited could include personal reprisals against
> parties considered responsible and major realignments of global power
> dynamics.

	I don't know...I guess that could happen. But for the time
	being it looks as if the US can get away with virtually
	anything.



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