The (Western) Empire: free speech, holocaust denial, jail in 14 countries

[John Newman]

The onus is not on Razer to disprove your ahistorical nonsense. I didn't mention the curious fact about the jewish finns and the nazis to bolster your bullshit.

Have a horrible fucking day :)


John

Ps my apologies for responding. I really ought to change my filters so your messages simply get erased rather than placed into my spam folder.

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
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> I believe Razer was the "staunch" anti-holocaust-denier conspiracy
> theorist who lambasted even any hint that there might have been
> substantially less than 6 million Jews gassed to death at Auschwitz
> during World War 2. That's right, see below.
> 
> So Razer, are you man enough to reassess? Or you know, provide actual
> links to "solid" references for your assertion re "every official
> authority"?
> 
> Otherwise, you know, such assertions would be considered baseless.
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> Or something...
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>> On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 11:51:40PM +1100, Jim wrote:
>> What is the difference between a cow and the Jewish holocaust?
>> You can't milk a cow for 70 years. Oh, and a cow is real.
>> 
>> Only the most brainwashed idiots believe in the Holohoax.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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>> Video viewer comment:
>> The Dolf
>> "Jewish prophecies in the Torah require that 6 million Jews must
>> “vanish” before the state of Israel can be formed. “You shall return
>> minus 6 million.” That’s why Tom Segev, an Israeli historian, declared
>> that the “6 million” is an attempt to transform the Holocaust story into
>> state religion. Those six million, according to prophecy, had to
>> disappear in “burning ovens”, which the judicial version of the
>> Holocaust now authenticates. As a matter of fact, Robert B. Goldmann
>> writes: “. . . without the Holocaust, there would be no Jewish State.”
>> 
>> A simple consequence: Given six million Jews gassed at Auschwitz who
>> ended up in the “burning ovens” (the Greek word holocaust means burned
>> offerings), therefore, the prophecies have now been “fulfilled” and
>> Israel can become a “legitimate state”. Regarding the ‘six million’
>> number you should know the following: In the Hebrew text of the Torah
>> prophesies, one can read “you shall return”. In the text the letter “V”
>> or “VAU” is absent, as Hebrew does not have any numbers; the letter V
>> stands for the number 6. Ben Weintraub, a religious scientist, learned
>> from rabbis that the meaning of the missing letter means the number is
>> ‘6 million’. The prophesy then reads: You will return, but with 6
>> million less. See Ben Weintraub: “The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism”, Cosmo
>> Publishing, Washington 1995, page 3. The missing 6 million must be so
>> before the Jews can return to the Promised Land. Jahweh sees this as a
>> cleaning of the souls of the sinful people. The Jews must, on the return
>> to the Promised Land, be clean
>> — the cleaning shall be done in burning stokes.
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>> As much as I despise religion, it plays a key role regarding the number
>> in question. I am trying to show where the number 6 million originates,
>> hence why these zealots propagate such a number. It provided the impetus
>> and PR ammunition they needed to make their “gallant return” to the
>> “promised land” at the war’s end establishing a racist/apartheid “Jewish
>> state” called “Israel” in 1948. And this all just happens to fit the
>> previously cited ancient Torah prophecy down to the very letter.
>> 
>> A consideration, of crematories, both old and new, must be made to
>> determine the functionality of the German 'Kremas' at accomplishing
>> their attributed tasks. For example, none of the ovens inspected and
>> examined at all of the locations were designed for multiple corpse
>> incineration. The modern cremation process uses large, high-powered
>> furnaces are fueled by gas or propane which generates fire that reaches
>> a temperature of around 2000°F. Cremating at the optimum temperature,
>> the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 ½ hours...
>> 
>> U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum states: The four gas chambers and
>> crematoria constructed at Auschwitz-Birkenau after 1942 represent Nazi
>> mass murder in its most industrialized form. Each of the four facilities
>> could kill and incinerate more than 1,000 victims per day. Cremation
>> specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly
>> have been cremated every day at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz gassing story
>> is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish
>> inmates who did not
>> personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are
>> understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were
>> widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in
>> Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed
>> that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story,
>> which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was
>> also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations."
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Zenaan Harkness 
>> To: Jim 
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 9:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: The (Western) Empire: free speech, holocaust denial, jail
>> in 14 countries
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jim, if nothing else, this is just plain fun to listen to - that
>> accent is enjoyable :)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Zen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> -----
>> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:14:34 +1100
>> From: Zenaan Harkness
>> To: Cypherpunks
>> Subject: Re: The (Western) Empire: free speech, holocaust denial, jail
>> in 14 countries
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:03:28PM -0800, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> On 01/08/2017 08:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> 
>> What about that holocaust? What was the number of Jews holocausted in
>> all the newspapers after WWI?
>> 
>> Jews fought in the German army in WWI stupid.
>> 
>> Well, not quite holocausted, but in 1915, which was 18 years before
>> Hitler came into govt, precisely 6 million Jews were tortured, starved
>> and incredibly badly mistreated.
>> 
>> Again in 1918. Again later still.
>> 
>> Don't believe it? The Sun (New York), The New York Times, etc, with a
>> cool accent to go with it:
>> 
>> SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
>> 
>> Enjoy :)
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> ----- Forwarded message from Razer <rayzer at riseup.net> -----
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:11:17 -0700
> From: Razer <rayzer at riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org
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> Subject: Re: MainStream Media <-> Western Regime Media
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>> On 09/08/2016 03:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 01:00:15PM -0700, Sean Lynch wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM, John Newman <jnn at synfin.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How about we just call it "bullshit" ? Obviously MSM is total fucking
>>>> garbage....
>>>> 
>>>> While we're at it, whats up with the constant russia-insider.com links?
>>>> This shit is pure propaganda, every bit as bad as any MSM....
>> 
>> Do you recall this question being asked twice before?
>> 
>> And do you recall my answer both times?
>> 
>> (reminder hint - it's also in the subject of some of the threads;
>> also notice threading, and the ability to filter both subject lines and
>> threads)
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>>>> http://kremlintrolls.com/t/20150620-ri_footprint.html
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.stopfake.org/en/is-russia-insider-sponsored-by-a-
>>>> russian-oligarch-with-the-ties-to-the-european-far-right/
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/04/bausman-and-fraud-at-russia-insider.html
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.fort-russ.com/2015/11/reading-between-lines-great-war-of.html
>>>> 
>>>> https://nobsrussia.com/tag/russia-insider/
>>>> 
>>>> "Long time readers and Russia watchers know that one of the most odious
>>>> pro-Kremlin
>>>> sites in existence is Russia Insider. Rather than create original
>>>> content, most of
>>>> their articles consist of material reprinted from other sources,
>>>> typically Kremlin
>>>> media outlets but also including sites featuring ideological racism and
>>>> Holocaust
>>>> denial. What better sources for a site that still uses the “Kiev Nazi
>>>> junta” trope?"
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Interesting that RI is associated with holocaust deniers, as I just
>>> realized yesterday that Zen is himself a holocaust denier when he posted a
>>> bunch of holocaust denial links.
>> 
>> Is holding that there is poor evidence for 6 million, and reasonable
>> evidence for ~2.X million, and that the USA concentration camps were no
>> better in some cases worse, the gulag another equally "fun" place to be,
>> and the propaganda around "the Jewish Holocaust" which began well before
>> WW2, and that "it's humans dude, we gotta fix us, all of us", is somehow
>> a "bad" thing?
>> 
>> And is all that, and plenty more, and nuance and subtlety, all bundled
>> into "holocaust denier" a suitable way to engage in constructive
>> conversation?
>> 
>> "Conspiracy theorists" ... that's "original" :/
>> 
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> Regarding the number of Jews killed. Every official authority including
> Russian sources estimate the number of dead between 4-8 million.
> 
> There's a lot of variance because of HOW it's decided whether the deaths
> were related to Nazi government action or not. It will NEVER be totally
> settled, so most just uses the 6 million number.
> 
> As a more recent example there's dispute over the number of Iraqis
> killed by the US for similar reasons. International law holds that the
> invader is responsible for securing the invaded space and is responsible
> for all deaths including civilian on civilian murder etc.
> 
> The US, ofc, doesn't buy that, or that they're responsible for the mass
> fratricide they cause arming ethnic groups against each other for it's
> own purposes. So the numbers will vary.
> 
> As a Jew, what I don't want to see are Jews denying there were/are
> holocausts happening just as tragic every moment we're alive and for
> some reason the Nazi holocaust was somehow worse than, lets say, what
> the US did, is doing, to the indigenous people.
> 
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> Many Jews think like that. Ours is the only Holocaust. As my Bessarabian
> grandpa, chased across the region by the Bishkek pogroms of the late
> 1800s(?)  would have said "Ishkabibble". Yiddish slang for nonsense, and
> the people pushing that POV on Jews HAVE an agenda, and funding for it
> from Zionists who hope the international community will let them have
> their way with Palestinians 'b/c holocaust'.
> 
> Rr
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