"Antifascists Have Become the Most Reasonable People in America”
juan
juan.g71 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 8 00:07:07 PST 2017
On Tue, 7 Feb 2017 21:50:33 -0500
bbrewer <bbrewer at littledystopia.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 9:20 PM, juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your first statement is plainly wrong.
> >
> > Anarchism is a political philosophy that rejects
> > government BECAUSE government is a criminal enterprise.
> >
> > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/anarchism?s=t
> >
> > "a doctrine urging the abolition of government or
> > governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full
> > social and political liberty. "
> >
> > People who claim they are against gov't but don't respect
> > rights are NOT anarchists. For example, all the 'anarcho'
> > commie clowns are not really anarchists.
> >
>
> I was curious about your stance on this matter, actually. I happen to
> agree with you here; share the wealth away, if you wish… But forcing
> someone to belong to such an agreement seems so not anarchist at all
> — It is curious to me as to why so many ‘old tyme’ anarchists thought
> this way.
If you are thinking about 19th century anarchists, I don't know
how many were anti property. Maybe many were, but I can't say
for sure. At any rate, people like Bakunin had interesting
ideas apart from their (not so good) economic analyses.
> For what it’s worth, my license plate reads: “Agorist”. I
> believe in it, and unlike so much writing, I believe the doing is
> what matters.
Yes, true. But the theory needs to be worked out sometimes...
> One can only write so much. (Yes, I realize paying the
> state for such a plate is ironic, but it’s a double edged sword of
> irony, and it costs $25 a year for this pleasure…).
What may be more problematic is that tagging yourself with such
a plate sort of gives the game away?
>
> Juan, would you define yourself as ‘anarchist without adjectives’?
Not sure. Probably not, because there are some substantial
differences in what different people consider true anarchism.
>
> >
> > 2. A 'Libertarian' is not NECESSARILY an anarchist.
> >
> > Of course WRONG AGAIN.
> >
> > Libertarianism is based on rights to life liberty and
> > property. Government violates those rights, by definition.
> >
> > So yeah, the only real libertarians are the ones who fully
> > reject government. Advocates of so called 'limited'
> > government on the other hand are frauds and dangerous criminals.
> >
>
> The notion, and fact, that there are self proclaimed ‘minarchists’
> makes me very very sad and confused indeed. Actually, the ‘party’ of
> libertarianism probably most aligns with this term, no?
More than likely I guess. The serious and academic people who
get invited to cocktail parties are all Respectable Statists.
>
> Core underlying insane problems here? a) minarchist. Uhhhh. b)
> everyone has their own pieces of the pie that they like; group them;
> guess what? Entire pie. So, useless functionally, and useless
> conceptually.
Yes, exactly. Just like some minarchist 'libertarians' believe
in the divine right of the state to control the courts and
police others believe in 'free' state-controlled 'education' or
'healthchare' or 'science' or whatever. And of course the
result is state control of everything.
>
>
> >
> >> (example: A person who is opposed to violations of the NAP, but
> >> who has no problem with a 'government' which doesn't employ
> >> violations of NAP.
> >
> > That's pretty much absurd. Governments by definition violate
> > the 'nap'. Governments are based on the "obey or die"
> > 'philosophy'.
> >
>
>
> Yup. This is what I said in an earlier post, but far more succinct.
> If you or your group are not forcing beliefs on others who do not
> fully align, well, you ain’t no ‘government’, are ye?
Right. Even the talk about groups doesn't make much sense to
me. Seems like a case of "if you don't like porn, don't watch
porn". One can say that there's a "group of people who don't
like porn" but it's mostly an abstraction. If a member of the
group one day decides that he now likes porn, the porn-haters
have no 'jurisdiction' over him.
>
> Side note: I find it funny, amusing, depressing, and perhaps
> regretful that so many post from un-attributable accounts. This is my
> name; This is my domain; Domain is registered to the house in which I
> am sitting in, in which my children are sleeping.
Well, you can find my surname in the archives =P
> Accountability in belief goes a long way.
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