Re: Future historians will recall the war between 4chan and LaBeouf, Rönkkö & Turner

Razer g2s at riseup.net
Thu Aug 31 18:31:58 PDT 2017



On 08/31/2017 05:00 PM, Kurt Buff wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:03 PM, John Newman <jnn at synfin.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Razer <g2s at riseup.net> wrote:
>> On 08/30/2017 05:54 PM, jim bell wrote:
> <snip>
>> Further, the jury is going to want to know why somebody in the crowd struck
>> the vehicle.  Malice?
>>
>> If you hit my vehicle... with a car or object, you ARE NOT entitled to run
>> me over, maliciously or in 'perceived self-defense'. Case closed. Guilty of
>> vehicular homicide. Intent unproven sans admission.
>>
>> So, what is your theory as to how a jury could convict the driver?  Seems to
>> me, the jury would want to convict the person who struck the car.
>>
>> Are you fucking serious ?
>>
>> Even if someone hits your car with a baseball bat,
>> plowing into a group of people and killing someone is NOT
>> an appropriate response. This nazi-murder-by-car apologetics
>> is fucking head-scratching, to say the bare minimum.
> Defense Lawyer:
>      "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury - The defendant was in his vehicle,
>      unarmed and surrounded by hostile actors, and someone started
>      pounding on his vehicle. The defendant, believed that he was about
>      to have his windows smashed and himself dragged out of the vehicle
>      and beaten or even killed.
>
>      "He panicked, and performed the only action he could come up with
>      to save his skin - he advanced at a high rate of speed to clear the way.
>      Unfortunately, someone died as a result. This is tragic, but he was clearly
>      acting in self defense."
>
> Jury:
>      "???"
>
> I haven't seen the videos (the site that Jim Bell referenced make
> reference to Trump as the God Emperor, which makes me itch something
> fierce - I couldn't stay on that site long enough to watch them), but
> just suppose that the videos show that the car was indeed surrounded,
> and that at least one person did start banging on it with some
> implement or other.
>
> How do you think a jury would vote in that case?

Unless there's a version at least 3X the FOUR SECOND video presented
with more lead in, there's nothing to see but people scrambling out of
the way and one guy looks like he swings at it with his sleeve. There
MAY HAVE been something in his sleeve, but it waved in the breeze, so if
anything it MIGHT HAVE BEEN a chain. But no chain is seen.

My guess from what's been presented would be he rolled by the
protesters, who were off to the side and said something NAZI to them ...
and then sped off with someone swinging a sleeve at his back
bumper/tailight momentarily and everyone else scrambling, etc.

Rr

>
> It's not out of the realm of possibility that a reasonable jury would
> vote Not Guilty - self defense.
>
> Kurt



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