Riseup Warrant Canary Falls?

[Mirimir]

On 04/09/2017 01:06 PM, Razer wrote:
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> On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Mirimir wrote:
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>>> I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare
>>> has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary
>>> to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS
>>> (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby.
>>
>> That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any
>> relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The
>> website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew
>> bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
>>
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> I did. and there's no 'if' about it. That's how Cloudflare 'protects'
> sites from dDos attacks afaik, by keeping a dynamic real-time copy of
> the site and there's some sort of 'sensoring' that detects that the site
> protected is under attack and Cloudflare's servers, hosting a dupe of
> the site under attack, take over page delivery and interactions.
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> That's my understanding of how it works. I you know better I'd love to
> hear about it.

You keep missing the key point. There was never anything at sigaint.org
except for that "fuck off" page. That's the only thing that Cloudflare
had anything to do with. One could access webmail or mail server only at
.onion addresses. Email could be sent to foo at sigaint.org but that used
different servers.

>> Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
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> The POINT IS Cloudflare... They're OBVIOUSLY the goto source for the
> Fed's Honeypot needs. Which is why those ISIS chatrooms don't vanish.
> Because if the feds said to cloudflare 'vanish them' and cloudflare
> didn't, cloudflare would 'vanish'
> 
> So what makes you think Sigaint or any of the others 'protected' by them
> aren't in jeopardy the second the feds tap them for a 'tap' or logged
> data from their protection operation? You think they can't be on
> sigaint's "wire" just because 'special' or what?

I have no interest in defending Cloudflare. They're assholes.

> Rr
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>> On 04/09/2017 09:29 AM, Razer wrote:
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>>> On 04/09/2017 08:02 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>> On 04/09/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>> On 04/09/2017 07:47 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/09/2017 07:04 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
>>>>>> So SIGAINT is gone, like Tormail before them. But Riseup is still there.
>>>>> Sigaint was hosted by Cloudflare. You'd have to be a fucking idiot. I
>>>>> suspect one of Cloudflare's main sources of revenue today is helping
>>>>> five-eyes stalk tor. Which would explain why Hushmail isn't 'protected'
>>>>> by cloudflare but the captcha panel you get when attempting to log in
>>>>> through tor broswer is...
>>>>>
>>>>> Rr
>>>> Huh? You say "hosted"? Maybe their clearnet "sod off" page used
>>>> Cloudflare. So do lots of DDoS services. To resist DDoS.
>>>>
>>>> But I seriously doubt that Cloudflare had anything to do with their
>>>> onion services. You got any evidence for that?
>>> Hushmail captcha panel if you attempt to login via torbrowser:
>>> http://68.media.tumblr.com/acc793091fadb7eabc16dbf9705b2be3/tumblr_njs0wgovEO1r9ju7do2_1280.png
>> Who gives a rat's ass about Hushmail?
>>
>>> Sigaint's whois screenshot:
>>> http://68.media.tumblr.com/6fd4c3502cec48f33db9c605fd582de7/tumblr_inline_odatjd8T0d1r5tcby_1280.png
>>>
>>> I call it hosting. You can call it whatever you want, but if Cloudflare
>>> has an identical near-realtime copy of a site including logs necessary
>>> to duplicate the site's functioning, comments and everything else, it IS
>>> (sic) virtually hosting a site, on standby.
>> That's a big fucking "if". I seriously doubt that there was any
>> relationship between the sigaint.org website and the email service. The
>> website was literally one page. Nothing to do with functioning. Why spew
>> bullshit, bro? Present evidence, or it didn't happen.
>>
>>> Anyone who thinks a company whose owner got his big biz boost by working
>>> with the feds running "Operation Honeypot", and is apparently allowed to
>>> 'protect' ISIS chatrooms without the US government 'disappearing'
>>> cloudflare from the intertubz
>>> <http://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA18/20150127/102855/HHRG-114-FA18-Transcript-20150127.pdf>,
>>> isn't thinking right. A deer in the headlights without even a chance to
>>> deliver a dumb bovine stare. "Red meat".
>> Nothing about SIGAINT there, bro. Just fucking Cloudflare. WTF?
>>
>>> Rr
>>>
>>>>>> And seriously, all I care is that Riseup handles the bloody messages.
>>>>>> During all of the canary bullshit with Riseup, I doubt that I ever lost
>>>>>> a message. And I don't give a rat's ass who reads them. I do my own
>>>>>> end-to-end encryption. And metadata is public with any email outside
>>>>>> closed systems. I'd rather have that, than depend on some arcane
>>>>>> proprietary browser crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So just sod off with your snide crap, bro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/08/2017 11:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Status update...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/canary-statement
>>>>>>>>> https://0xacab.org/riseuplabs/trees
>>>>>>>> This is old news, bro.
>>>>>>>>
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