[RUS] Putin - the most moderate Russian politician acceptable to the Russian public

xorcist at sigaint.org xorcist at sigaint.org
Sat Sep 24 01:42:23 PDT 2016


> First you raised a straw man "Putin good man/ bad man", then you raise a
> dichotomy "the wrong question vs the right question".

Straw man implies I'm arguing with you, or trying to refute your opinion.
I'm just having a discussion, and the "Putin good man / bad man" thing was
mostly to clarify my own position, as I had just stated my opinion of some
of his positive qualities.

> There are actions in the world.

Truly.

> Some exhibit what I name as evil intentions.
> Others actions exhibit good intentions.

Right. You name them. It's your opinion. I may even agree with that
opinion. But I am operating from the standpoint where I understand that
others have different opinions, and may name things in exactly the reverse
order.

That's why I meant by there are no good guys and bad guys in geopolitics.

American's are going to (on the whole) support America. Russians are, on
the whole, going to support Russia.

As I understand it, people tend to support their local sports teams too.

> Soros' emails show he wanted to break up Russia (not just the USSR) to
> ultimately create a one world hegemon.

Surely. My point was more in regards to the "since perestroika" part.
Mainly that, since those times, Russian/American opinions of each have
been up, and been down; whereas it sounded like you are presenting the
idea that Russian's opinion of America has steadily declined.

>From my understanding, that is not the case.

> Putin decided Russia was a nation of 170 million people who deserve
> better than Soros "break up Russia" intention, and set about doing many
> good actions in support of that nationalistic position.

Agreed. He is playing for his team.

I'm sure someone like Kissinger would argue Soros is playing for the other
team.

> "The West" has time and again demonstrated utter contempt for anything
> actually worth regarding.

I tend to agree. We have similar definitions of worth.

>
> Russians have seen this, and of course the Russian media does its level
> best to draw this out, and boost their ratings from such madness as is
> so regularly displayed in the West and by Westerners, and as a result of
> seeing this, Russians now have a, rather low, regard for "the West".

Depends on who you talk to. Russians in the West certainly don't, that
I've talked to.

> This is a healthy development :)

It's a development.

Some years ago, I was living in New York City. I sat in a bar once,
talking the piss with a couple of guys that were older than I. One, a
former U.S. marine. The other, a former Russian soldier. We sat around,
getting a bit tossed, telling jokes and having a good time.

The conversation turned to their pasts, when the subject of their military
backgrounds came up, and it turned out that they had both served in their
respective forces at the same time. I shut the fuck up, first, not having
any inclinations to military type loyalties, and because I was curious how
this whole thing was going to go down now that we'd both had a good number
of drinks.

The American observed that, he was glad the world turned out the way it
did and that we were all having a good laugh, and that a "bunch of rat
bastard politicians" didn't make him have to kill the Russian guy. The
Russian poked back in good nature, saying he was glad that he didn't have
to try, because the American would surely have lost, sort of thing. Just a
bit of guy bravado and joshing around.

Just as they started to move the conversation away from all that .. I
piped back up and offered:

Yeah, but think back to your time in the service. Think back to when you
were in it. Back then, you would have never believed you'd be sitting here
having a drink together, laughing. Back then, they had you hating each
other before you even met.

They got quiet. Somber. I let them stew for a bit, and then ordered
another round and offered a toast 'So here's to the rat bastards who are
smart enough to trick us all, but not smart enough to run the world like a
proper clock.. at least the cunts haven't fucked up the booze yet!'

Which brought back around the revelry.

THAT was a positive development.




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