Coalition Seeks Obama to Pardon Snowden

[juan]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:05:06 -0700
Razer <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:

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> 
> On 09/14/2016 05:27 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> 
> > but inevitably toward less abuse and more transparency.
> 
> You don't get out much do you?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods


	I think that sums Stephen's 'philosophy' up.



> 
> Rr
> 
> > On 9/14/16 5:13 PM, Razer wrote:
> >>
> >> On 09/14/2016 12:55 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Razer <rayzer at riseup.net
> >>> <mailto:rayzer at riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     ...
> >>>     So he returns home to a hero's welcome and a year later he's
> >>> been involved in a fatal car wreck, or airplane crash, or, as a
> >>> cover story when he's found dead in a ditch on a back road in
> >>> Florida, tortured and beaten to an unrecognizable pulp, "the
> >>> Russians did it".
> >>>
> >>>     I think there's a serious underestimation here of just how
> >>> murderous the US government is if someone betrays them... Hell!
> >>> You don't even have to betray them. Just annoy the wrong people.
> >>>
> >>>     Sorry Edward Snowden is in Exile for life whether he likes it
> >>> or not, if he wants to stay alive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree that if I were Snowden I wouldn't ever trust the USG, but
> >>> I don't see how it serves the government's purposes to have him
> >>> die in any way where would-be whistleblowers don't at least
> >>> strongly suspect is connected to his leaks. They want to make an
> >>> example of him, because leaks are the thing the USG is by far the
> >>> most vulnerable to.
> >>
> >>
> >> I was talking in terms of a pardon or commutation received. OFC
> >> they'd try him if he simply returned.
> >>
> >> Rr
> >>
> >> Ps. They don't care how obvious it is that they killed him if they
> >> did as long as there's plausible deniability. It has the added
> >> bonus of terrorizing other whistlebowers and dissuading new ones
> >> no matter how blatant the assassination. Aamof, the more blatant
> >> the better from the terrorism perspective. I'm REALLY surprised
> >> they haven't already begun doing it to his friends and rela... Oh
> >> WAIT!
> > 
> > If that is ever found to be true, Americans would freak out.
> > Government only has authority to the extent that they follow the
> > rule of law.  It's already the stuff of conspiracy theories.  Any
> > solid proof of unchecked ongoing abuse not explained away
> > sufficiently, which would inevitably leak eventually for anything
> > happening consistently, would cause gigantic backlash.  The
> > ultra-right gun lobby and the liberal sophisticates and others
> > would unite and squash anyone responsible.  Now that we have
> > instances of clear video proof to actually get at the truth more
> > consistently, look at the reform cycle happening with police.
> > Messy, slow, annoying, but inevitably toward less abuse and more
> > transparency.
> > 
> >> Ioerror.
> >>
> >> Institutional assassination
> >>
> >> Rr
> > 
> > sdw
> >