Coalition Seeks Obama to Pardon Snowden

Razer rayzer at riseup.net
Wed Sep 14 18:05:06 PDT 2016



On 09/14/2016 05:27 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> but inevitably toward less abuse and more transparency.

You don't get out much do you?

Rr

> On 9/14/16 5:13 PM, Razer wrote:
>>
>> On 09/14/2016 12:55 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Razer <rayzer at riseup.net
>>> <mailto:rayzer at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ...
>>>     So he returns home to a hero's welcome and a year later he's been
>>>     involved in a fatal car wreck, or airplane crash, or, as a cover story
>>>     when he's found dead in a ditch on a back road in Florida, tortured and
>>>     beaten to an unrecognizable pulp, "the Russians did it".
>>>
>>>     I think there's a serious underestimation here of just how murderous the
>>>     US government is if someone betrays them... Hell! You don't even have to
>>>     betray them. Just annoy the wrong people.
>>>
>>>     Sorry Edward Snowden is in Exile for life whether he likes it or not, if
>>>     he wants to stay alive.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that if I were Snowden I wouldn't ever trust the USG, but I
>>> don't see how it serves the government's purposes to have him die in any
>>> way where would-be whistleblowers don't at least strongly suspect is
>>> connected to his leaks. They want to make an example of him, because
>>> leaks are the thing the USG is by far the most vulnerable to.
>>
>>
>> I was talking in terms of a pardon or commutation received. OFC they'd
>> try him if he simply returned.
>>
>> Rr
>>
>> Ps. They don't care how obvious it is that they killed him if they did
>> as long as there's plausible deniability. It has the added bonus of
>> terrorizing other whistlebowers and dissuading new ones no matter how
>> blatant the assassination. Aamof, the more blatant the better from the
>> terrorism perspective. I'm REALLY surprised they haven't already begun
>> doing it to his friends and rela... Oh WAIT!
> 
> If that is ever found to be true, Americans would freak out.  Government
> only has authority to the extent that they follow the rule of law.  It's
> already the stuff of conspiracy theories.  Any solid proof of unchecked
> ongoing abuse not explained away sufficiently, which would inevitably
> leak eventually for anything happening consistently, would cause
> gigantic backlash.  The ultra-right gun lobby and the liberal
> sophisticates and others would unite and squash anyone responsible.  Now
> that we have instances of clear video proof to actually get at the truth
> more consistently, look at the reform cycle happening with police. 
> Messy, slow, annoying, but inevitably toward less abuse and more
> transparency.
> 
>> Ioerror.
>>
>> Institutional assassination
>>
>> Rr
> 
> sdw
> 



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