New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent

Stephen D. Williams sdw at lig.net
Fri Sep 9 11:02:04 PDT 2016


On 9/9/16 4:11 AM, John Newman wrote:
>
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net <mailto:sdw at lig.net>> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/16 12:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:36:43PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
>>>>> will work to sync up the archives so that the split brain we've been
>>>> Don't taint the provenance... just as your archive contains only yours,
>>>> this file should only contain messages from newby's server:
>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks.mbox/cypherpunks.mbox.gz
>>>>
>>>> You can host your own archives wherever, and people will pick them up
>>>> and re-host them wherever.
>>>>
>>>> You can blend the html index if you want, because it's just a human
>>>> interface, not a critical source archive.
>>>>
>>>> People...
>>>> Don't use procmail, it sucks. Maildrop is better.
>>>> Don't use mbox, it sucks. Maildir is better.
>>
>> I still use procmail, a bit, but I don't have a strong opinion there.
>>
>> I always use mbox format.  I find it very scalable, although I do roll over to new files every 200MB.  Dovecot indexes so well
>> that I'm pretty sure it is faster.  Plus, it is likely much faster for backups etc.
>>
>
> Depends on how fast your filesystem is. I've definitely seen some sloooow load times in mutt with either format (header cache in
> mutt helps immensely).  I'm using maildir at the moment and about a half dozen different mail clients depending on which device is
> at hand, and performance is acceptable on directories with 3-4K messages.

In a quick check, I have email folders with up to 28,000 messages; up to 15,000 is more typical.  In my online email archive
altogether, I have just shy of 1 million messages in 713 'folders'.  Via: grep '^From:' `find * -type f|egrep -v
'[.]cache|[.]log|[.]index'`|wc

Thunderbird + Dovecot provides nearly instant access to any email in any folder.  Even Squirrelmail works fine.

>
> I stopped using procmail a while back - I like imapfilter. The config file is just lua code. It does require an active connection
> to your imap server of course....

Sounds interesting.  Instead of new automatic filters, I use a Thunderbird plugin that allows me to file messages in 20 folders with
just a keystroke.  I can process messages as fast as 3 per second.  Will eventually add machine learning to that.

>  The real hassle for me these days is my spamassassin + amavis + clamd has stopped working nearly as well as it used too.  But
> I've been feeding the fuck out of the Bayesian dbs, and tuning a few rules, and it's getting back under control...

Yes, need periodic maintenance and spamassassin --spam updates to make it work reasonably.

>
>
> John


>>> It's all good. Thanks for the maildrop hint. I'll use Maildir when I'm
>>> up to speed with notmuch, but not before - Maildirs are too slow
>>> otherwise for me.
>>>
>>> Finally - can the new cpunks admin please add a standard
>>> subscribe/unsubscribe footer? I referred a friend and they got a
>>> rejection on subscription request, so I'm thinking they might have tried
>>> using the old domain. Sent them the new mailman url.
>>
>> sdw
>>

sdw

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