New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent (was: Re: moving on))
Steve Kinney
admin at pilobilus.net
Thu Sep 8 18:39:26 PDT 2016
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On 09/05/2016 12:15 PM, Александр wrote:
> forwarding part of my private conversation to the whole list:
>
> The new list is not the preferable solution, you know. It's the
> only thing we see right now, but... We should realize, that this
> splitting up will KILL the original list. It will kill the whole
> concept and the core idea of the Cypher-Punk list/movement.
>
> The Snowden revelations and all the shit going on in the world in
> the last 10 years has brought us (people with brain & spirit) to a
> clear and unambiguous understanding that *"THE CYPHERPUNK
> LIST-CONCEPT MUST EVOLVE, -> THUS MUST BE CHANGED, BECOMING MUCH
> BROADER". *And the focus, as John Young wrote, cannot be on
> Apolitical (relatively) crypto-math-numbers only as it was
> before...
>
> Times have irreversibly changed -> thus the issues for discussion
> must be much much *BROADER*.
Well that's odd. I wonder what it's about? Splitting the list into
what? Two with different themes? One Moderated and one Unmoderated?
If the latter, that's a perilous course. One sees a lot of "twin"
lists and such that are one sterile and stereotyped, the other totally
overrun with tards. Because once upon a time, half or more of the
people on the original list who took an interest in keeping it alive
/without/ censorship bailed, and those who stayed behind were
gradually overwhelmed.
When the means to eliminate a public voice by direct force are not
practicable, death by a thousand paper cuts may get the job done.
Splitting an online forum may be a decisive move in that direction, or
harmless and productive, depending the situation. As someone already
pointed out, there is already a cryptography list, which seems to
provide more or less what any advocates for moderation could ask for.
People have been talking about the CPunks list charter. I have not
seen it. What Sovereign signed it, and what powers does the Crown
delegate to us, for what tribute in return? Just curious.
Will post a message to this same thread that enlarges on "my" input to
the "public" conversation.
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