Philosophokiddies

[juan]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 13:08:00 +1000
Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:


> As Juan (and others) has so eloquently pointed out so many times, we
> do not have democracy, and we have never seen democracy.

	I don't think I said that. We certainly have democracy if we go
	by common definitions of democracy.

	What we never had is a liberal system where people's rights are
	respected. Or we never had a system based on individual
	self-government. But I don't think that's usually called
	democracy.