[jya at pipeline.com: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism]

Tue Sep 6 19:57:01 PDT 2016

If you all want to create a new list just for your little friends,
excluding everybody who thinks different, simply do it, instead making so
much drama.  Just it.

--
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it."
On Sep 6, 2016 11:54 PM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com> wrote:

> Everybody talks so much about women, but always are the men who make
> mischief, little games, intrigues and gossip off-list, aff...  :-/
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
> to say it."
> On Sep 6, 2016 11:42 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
>
>> Some of the back story, Alex and Juan agree with John Young that,
>> especially list related discussion, should be on list.
>>
>> So, conspiracy theories, self indulgent tripe, and all the rest for your
>> gossiping indulgence..
>>
>> Zenaan
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded message from John Young <jya at pipeline.com> -----
>> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:29:24 -0400
>> From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
>> To: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
>> Subject: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re:
>> Nationalism vs Globalism
>>
>> This discussion would be more effective on the list, not off-list,
>> silvousplait.
>>
>> As you may have read recently, offlist is just another troll tool.
>>
>> At 08:57 AM 9/5/2016, you wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 02:24:23PM +0300, Александр wrote:
>> > > 2016-09-05 8:31 GMT+03:00 juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>:
>> > >
>> > > >         I think that's their plan. So creating a new list and
>> letting
>> > > >         them do what they want with the cpunk list means we'd be
>> > > >         following *their* plan.  I don't plan to do that =P
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > YES! 100 times YES!
>> > > But...
>> > > the problem i wrote about on other letter still remains, my friends:
>> > > (they ([personal gripes]...) *suck so much energy from us* once a
>> > > month with their yellings about "offtopic"/"did you take LSD" shit.
>> > >
>> > > I'm tired. This is not a way to do things.)
>> >
>> > Alex, I ask you to take a peek in your memory at a few key moments in
>> > the last year as I hope the little transformations that are happening on
>> > the list and in the world might set your mind at ease:
>> >
>> >
>> >  - Rayzer has 'come out' - he now expresses bold confidence
>> >    (notwithstanding he's a bit misguided in his personal mutual anger
>> >    club with Juan, where he gets repeatedly defeated and sadly misses
>> >    that fact. Funny but sad.
>> >
>> >
>> >  - In my early days on the list, I was personally targetted very
>> >    effectively by someone with some significant training - I have no
>> >    doubt they were/are an agent of some three letter agency - I ended up
>> >    saying not much, and not replying to him, for a week at least;
>> >
>> >    I was impressed because he/they had successfully picked an emotional
>> >    weak spot within me, and successfully used that to try to "hit" me
>> >    publicly.
>> >
>> >    Once I processed it, I realised they were an agent provocateur in
>> >    their intention, as expressed through their words, and they were well
>> >    trained in that.
>> >
>> >    But doing so, they exposed themselves (at the very least to me).
>> >
>> >
>> >  - This year 50 CIA agents PUBLICLY petitioned the POTUS to declare a
>> >    no-fly zone over Syria, actively attack Syria's president Assad, and
>> >    thereby effectively start World War 3 against Russia!
>> >
>> >    The fact they believed they had to do this publicly, and DID do this
>> >    publicly, tells us that their systems of control and influence are
>> >    breaking down, and that to have any hope of further "success" with
>> >    their evil ways, they have to act by exposing their evil for the
>> >    world to see!
>> >
>> >    This is amazing, and an EXCELLENT development!
>> >
>> >
>> >  - Finally you must have seen my recent one-two round with either a head
>> >    honcho type, or someone pretending to be - in that "a turning point?
>> >    Brzezinski..." thread starting 2016-09-01, with "Lodewijk" (very
>> >    unlikely his real name), then SDW pipes in with "Nice Zenaan, good
>> >    responses to much of what you were responding to ... he must have
>> >    been a troll, blah blah ..."
>> >
>> >    I believe I know who "Lodewijk" is, and SDW evidently works for him,
>> >    since he tried to protect him with "he's just a troll" - yet the only
>> >    reason I responded in such detail, was because of what I felt, what
>> >    my instinct told me - "this guy is high up", he's real, he's not
>> >    trolling, he's being honest.
>> >
>> >    Knowing "Lodewijk" is 'high up' in authority, and reading what he
>> >    wrote, brought me to tears as I wrote that reply, because I know too
>> >    well how they (the CIA guys and those similar to them) think and act
>> >    - their questions were their actual point of view.
>> >
>> >    And so, to me, it was no surprise the SDW gave such a glowing report
>> >    - I was speaking directly to them, in their own language, using their
>> >    own terms and acknowledging (whilst disagreeing with) their own
>> >    belief systems; so of course they would appreciate my analysis.
>> >
>> >    My only hope is that they might find within themselves a higher
>> >    intention than merely power and control over other nations.
>> >
>> >    And of course Juan immediately named them (accurately) as "crazy
>> >    fucks" :)
>> >
>> >
>> > So, some folks are exposing themselves. Some like Mirimir are possibly
>> > making personal growth steps (very small is still above zero).
>> >
>> >
>> > This is all a journey and "the list" (wherever it is and who ever
>> > "controls" it) is secondary - it merely provides a platform for the
>> > personal (and society) journeys that we make between ourselves.
>> >
>> >
>> > Finally - Juan, you know this, and you've probably taken it on board
>> > already, but we "Westerners" or "wealthy Western schooled" folks (men in
>> > particular at this moment in history) are:
>> >  - predominantly insecure,
>> >  - spoiled with gadgets, food and comfort,
>> >  - attached to the public image we think others have of ourselves,
>> >  - often laden with societal guilt complex bullshit,
>> >  - and generally unable to resist responding to personal attacks
>> >    (yes yes Alex, I'm guilty as charged - I'll get there one day)
>> >
>> > Point: these guys who attach to excuses for non-action, even for
>> > limiting discussion to their preferred topics, these are the kind of
>> > guys that predominate in the West. (I'm talking about the Rayzers and
>> > Mirimir types, not the SDW CIA types who have truly sold their souls.)
>> >
>> >
>> > I.e., this is the soil we have available to us, to till.
>> >
>> > Not shifting ground on all the important things is not only a great
>> > start, but essential.
>> >
>> > But in conversation with such mentally weak and emotionally insecure
>> > people, men in particular, perhaps say to "idiots" (after having utterly
>> > demolished their arguments as you do so well) things like "repetition
>> > does not strengthen your position", and other such "softer" responses to
>> > blatant stupidity, and drop it there. This might help to lower the noise
>> > level, since emotionally insecure Western males are incapable of
>> > lowering their own noise levels without external support. So that's our
>> > job :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Changes are happening, and I hold tentative hope for the future.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards always, thanks all for listening,
>> > Zen
>>
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>
>
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