[WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine
Razer
rayzer at riseup.net
Mon Sep 26 17:33:40 PDT 2016
On 09/26/2016 12:35 PM, Sean Lynch wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Razer <rayzer at riseup.net
> <mailto:rayzer at riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 09/26/2016 10:54 AM, Sean Lynch wrote:
>
> >
> > "the UKRAINIANS HAVE ASKED FOR HELP."
> >
>
>
> Diem 'asked for help' too!
>
> Remember?
>
> Now remember how he was installed. By the US.
>
>
> You claim he was "installed," yet clearly not acting in the US's
> interest.
I got to right... there. And I stopped. He just wasn't the right guy for
the job so they killed him and installed someone else.Ky, who last I new
lived in SoCal, got death threats all the time and didn't understand
why... As his ex-ARVN thugs were doing military-style home invasion
robberies in the SF Bay area whose victims wouldn't talk to the police,
who couldn't protect them and they knew it...
Of COURSE he was acting in a manner more suitable to the US. The option
was... Horrors! Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh, and the *Terror* of SE Asian Com Com
Communism!
Rr
Why might that be? Perhaps because he wasn't actually
> "installed" as people generally think of it, or perhaps because Putin
> bought him back from the US?
>
> So were the Ukraine coup-plotters. Couldn't have done it without the US
> State Dept Victoria Nuland, and Soros organizations as point man/Bag
> man. After that was all said and done THEN the Pentagon and State
> Department cold send SEALS to train the 'Azov Batallion', and other
> Neonazi formations that ARE part of the Ukraine military.
>
>
> You say coup, I say revolution. And the Russians call everyone they
> don't like Neonazis. I'm sure some of them are, but Russia is not
> exactly in a position to throw stones. Neither side is populated with
> angels.
>
>
> The methods for overthrowing governments and suppressing the captive
> populations haven't changed since the beginning of the industrial
> revolution or farther back. They've just been more exposed, so the lies
> get thicker.
>
> The elected government of Ukraine NEVER asked for US assistance.
>
>
> I love your careful phrasing there. I said "Ukrainians" and you
> responded with "elected government of Ukraine." Of course the "elected
> government of Ukraine" didn't officially ask for assistance. I'm not
> sure what "elected" even means in Ukraine, what with 123% of registered
> voters turning up in Sevestapol to vote to secede. But as we all know
> Russia NEVER interferes with elections.
>
> The US is not innocent here, but attempting to play Russia off as "the
> good guy" or even "better" in any respect other than their vastly lower
> capabilities is just laughable. The only thing they have going for them
> is that they're not the US and can form a counterbalance. Which is not
> exactly a high bar.
>
> Stop lying.
>
>
> Not particularly helpful language when you're trying to tease apart a
> very complex situation. But perhaps that's not what you're actually
> trying to do.
>
>
>
> Rr
>
>
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net <mailto:zen at freedbms.net>
> > <mailto:zen at freedbms.net <mailto:zen at freedbms.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > So the US government appears set on complete destruction of
> Ukraine.
> > Doesn't even make strategic sense at this point. I guess
> unless you're
> > an essentially evil Western oligarch who wants to carve it up for
> > purchase on the cheap, the people, the Russians, and the world be
> > damned.
> >
> >
> > USA congress, your insanity and evil is noted. Once again,
> your broad
> > scale fundamental compromise and therefore essential
> illegitimacy, is
> > noted by the rest of the world.
> >
> > Let's see if this is stopped or passed by the USA senate and
> president.
> >
> >
> > So what you're saying is that, if you get mugged on the street and the
> > mugger has a gun to your head, then any attempt to resist the mugger
> > means you are suicidal, and anyone who tries to help you is dead
> set on
> > your destruction? Great logic, there.
> >
> > One could just as easily turn this around and say that Putin is
> dead set
> > on Ukraine's destruction because he won't allow the Ukrainians to
> > determine their own destiny. Even if you were to assume that all his
> > lies about not sending in Russian troops and equipment (almost
> certainly
> > engineered to be precisely accurate under a very narrow definition of
> > same and only if you squint in the right way) were true, he is
> certainly
> > encouraging the Russian thugs living there to engage in as much
> violence
> > as possible.
> >
> > No, this is Putin's baby. He's set it up so that if he can't have
> > Ukraine, nobody will. And the poor Ukrainians are caught in the
> middle,
> > just as they always have been because of their unfortunate geographic
> > situation next to a violent, ultranationalist neighbor. Violent and
> > ultranationalist according to Zenaan himself, by the way, who just
> told
> > us that Putin is the most moderate person the Russians could have
> elected.
> >
> > The US is helping Ukraine because the UKRAINIANS HAVE ASKED FOR
> HELP. If
> > the situation is truly as you claim it is, then why isn't it just
> > "better to die on our feet than live on our knees?" Perhaps the
> > Ukrainians are simply tired of living in Russia's shadow and are
> > terrified of the strongman the Russians have elected?
> >
> > As you know, I'm no fan of US foreign policy, but Russia is no better.
> > As far as I can tell, you only like them because you hate the US so
> > much, and the Russians are the only reasonable counterbalance you can
> > think of. I totally agree with you on the need to return to a
> > multi-polar world, just not because I think the Russians are any
> better
> > than the US. They're just DIFFERENT and can force the US to
> compromise.
>
>
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