[WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine

[Sean Lynch]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Razer <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:

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> On 09/26/2016 10:54 AM, Sean Lynch wrote:
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> >
> > "the UKRAINIANS HAVE ASKED FOR HELP."
> >
>
>
> Diem 'asked for help' too!
>
> Remember?
>
> Now remember how he was installed. By the US.
>

You claim he was "installed," yet clearly not acting in the US's interest.
Why might that be? Perhaps because he wasn't actually "installed" as people
generally think of it, or perhaps because Putin bought him back from the US?

So were the Ukraine coup-plotters. Couldn't have done it without the US
> State Dept Victoria Nuland, and Soros organizations as point man/Bag
> man. After that was all said and done THEN the Pentagon and State
> Department cold send SEALS to train the 'Azov Batallion', and other
> Neonazi formations that ARE part of the Ukraine military.
>

You say coup, I say revolution. And the Russians call everyone they don't
like Neonazis. I'm sure some of them are, but Russia is not exactly in a
position to throw stones. Neither side is populated with angels.


The methods for overthrowing governments and suppressing the captive
> populations haven't changed since the beginning of the industrial
> revolution or farther back. They've just been more exposed, so the lies
> get thicker.
>
> The elected government of Ukraine NEVER asked for US assistance.
>

I love your careful phrasing there. I said "Ukrainians" and you responded
with "elected government of Ukraine." Of course the "elected government of
Ukraine" didn't officially ask for assistance. I'm not sure what "elected"
even means in Ukraine, what with 123% of registered voters turning up in
Sevestapol to vote to secede. But as we all know Russia NEVER interferes
with elections.

The US is not innocent here, but attempting to play Russia off as "the good
guy" or even "better" in any respect other than their vastly lower
capabilities is just laughable. The only thing they have going for them is
that they're not the US and can form a counterbalance. Which is not exactly
a high bar.

Stop lying.
>

Not particularly helpful language when you're trying to tease apart a very
complex situation. But perhaps that's not what you're actually trying to do.


>
> Rr
>
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> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net
> > <mailto:zen at freedbms.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     So the US government appears set on complete destruction of Ukraine.
> >     Doesn't even make strategic sense at this point. I guess unless
> you're
> >     an essentially evil Western oligarch who wants to carve it up for
> >     purchase on the cheap, the people, the Russians, and the world be
> >     damned.
> >
> >
> >     USA congress, your insanity and evil is noted. Once again, your broad
> >     scale fundamental compromise and therefore essential illegitimacy, is
> >     noted by the rest of the world.
> >
> >     Let's see if this is stopped or passed by the USA senate and
> president.
> >
> >
> > So what you're saying is that, if you get mugged on the street and the
> > mugger has a gun to your head, then any attempt to resist the mugger
> > means you are suicidal, and anyone who tries to help you is dead set on
> > your destruction? Great logic, there.
> >
> > One could just as easily turn this around and say that Putin is dead set
> > on Ukraine's destruction because he won't allow the Ukrainians to
> > determine their own destiny. Even if you were to assume that all his
> > lies about not sending in Russian troops and equipment (almost certainly
> > engineered to be precisely accurate under a very narrow definition of
> > same and only if you squint in the right way) were true, he is certainly
> > encouraging the Russian thugs living there to engage in as much violence
> > as possible.
> >
> > No, this is Putin's baby. He's set it up so that if he can't have
> > Ukraine, nobody will. And the poor Ukrainians are caught in the middle,
> > just as they always have been because of their unfortunate geographic
> > situation next to a violent, ultranationalist neighbor. Violent and
> > ultranationalist according to Zenaan himself, by the way, who just told
> > us that Putin is the most moderate person the Russians could have
> elected.
> >
> > The US is helping Ukraine because the UKRAINIANS HAVE ASKED FOR HELP. If
> > the situation is truly as you claim it is, then why isn't it just
> > "better to die on our feet than live on our knees?" Perhaps the
> > Ukrainians are simply tired of living in Russia's shadow and are
> > terrified of the strongman the Russians have elected?
> >
> > As you know, I'm no fan of US foreign policy, but Russia is no better.
> > As far as I can tell, you only like them because you hate the US so
> > much, and the Russians are the only reasonable counterbalance you can
> > think of. I totally agree with you on the need to return to a
> > multi-polar world, just not because I think the Russians are any better
> > than the US. They're just DIFFERENT and can force the US to compromise.
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