JY vs Sea Sea vs Actual Discussion

[Steve Kinney]

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On 09/23/2016 02:06 PM, David Smith wrote:
> I've been reading the list for a few weeks and, I have to say, I am
> very disappointed. Cypherpunks used to be a group of individuals
> who solved problems, discussed solutions, and tackled the hard
> problems that faced the Internet community. There were flame wars,
> but they got resolved and the list got in with its business.
> 
> This current shit surrounding cypher piggie is ridiculous. Who the
> fuck cares about how rude juan is or if Sea Sea or JY are the same
> people? It's stupid shit that's distracting the list from real
> issues that it could be tackling instead of spending endless time
> arguing with and over an obvious troll.

Over the last few months the volume of posts has been way up, the
quality way down.  I use junk mail settings to send oinker-grams and
etc. to their very own folder, out of sight and out of mind.  I ignore
most of the longer threads.

> Or maybe that's the whole point. Distraction from real work, real
> code, real idea discussion. Maybe that's the why.
> 
> I know it won't do any good, but I appeal to the members of this
> list who are engaging in these stupid discussions to fucking stop
> it! Focus on what needs to be done, focus on ideas, focus on
> getting code written.

That would be a Good Thing.  Lately I been thinking about the absence
of direct support & discussion of actual software projects here, vs.
in the old days.  I think two factors are involved:  The spin-off
cryptography list gets the technical discussion of cryptographic
matters.  And most applications that deploy cryptography in a userland
context are /huge/ productions these days, compared to (for instance)
PGP, Scramdisk, etc., and the teams working on them have their own
internal mailing lists, wikis, budget meetings, HR issues, etc.

These factors reduce relevance of the cypher- side of the present list
to real world coding projects, while the -punk side runs rampant.
Radical politics in the Libertarian vs. Anarchist range has been
on-topic since ever, as the context of end user network security in a
world of totalitarian regimes.

I do see some useful news & information relevant to network security
issues here from time to time.  Less reactionary bullshit and troll
feeding would be nice.

> At last, let me say I'm not jumping into the argument here at all.
> I'm sure this email will be challenged or someone will say
> something stupid in response. I won't bother responding to those.
> But I will engage in serious discussion with anyone who wishes to
> do so. I don't care about sea sea or juan or John Young or who they
> 'really' are. I'm here to connect with other REAL cypherpunks who
> want to get shit done. Not little boy and girl posers who like the
> idea of tangentially associating themselves with a movement that
> changed the world.

The price of changing the world is that the world beats a path to your
door.  So far this list has been spared the worst of that.  But public
awareness of the "issues" raised by the CPunk community is at an all
time high and still growing, as a product of the Snowden Saga and
growing overt Fascism in the former Western Democracies.  Anyone
looking for a "ground zero" of counter-surveillance,
counter-censorship, anonymous digital currencies and related
technologies is likely to land here.

This may sound snarky but I'm quite serious:  If people want to see
higher quality posts on the list, they can start making them.  If
people want to start a moderated list of their very own, nobody can
stop them.

:o)





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