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[Razer]

oshwm:
> If the website is for LEA, why does it need to be protected from DDoS?


As you say, but they get to collect all data by running the 'service'

Rr


> If LEA dont get the message and they waste their time looking for a well hidden onion service, who cares?
> 
> 
> On 13 September 2016 19:14:19 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/13/2016 08:13 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/13/2016 12:00 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the fact that CloudFlare is insecure, and may be an NSA
>> honeypot,
>>> is no reason for them to avoid using it...
>>>
>>> Umn. I guess it depends on if your freedom or life depend on it. I'd
>>> tend to be.... Risk-adverse. But that's just me.
>>
>> They use CloudFlare only for the website to warn LEA etc that the real
>> mailserver is a Tor onion service, and to forget about trying to find
>> it. CloudFlare plays no role in email handling. You're just spreading
>> ignorant bullshit and FUD. You're being as pigheaded as Juan!
>>
>>> Rr
>>>
>>> "The contrail is gone entirely from the sky.
>>>  Pirate’s sweat lies on his skin almost as cold as ice.
>>>  He takes some time lighting a cigarette. He won’t hear the thing
>> come in.
>>>  It travels faster than the speed of sound. The first news you get of
>> it
>>> is the blast.
>>>  Then, if you’re still around, you hear the sound of it coming in.
>>>  What if it should hit exactly—ahh, no—for a split second you’d have
>> to feel
>>>  the very point, with the terrible mass above, strike the top of the
>>> skull..." ~Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 09/13/2016 12:33 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>>> Well obviously all I've said about Cloudflare is well documented
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but there's nothing there about Sigaint, is there?
>>>>
>>>>> but in terms of sigaint, its your choice but with the documented
>>>>> issues with Cloudflare then I would expect any org who is trying to
>>>>> provide protection against 'dragnet surveillance' would be morally
>>>>> and ethically opposed to services such as Clouflare, wouldn't you?
>>>>
>>>> You're as bad as Juan with the "morally and ethically" bit ;)
>>>>
>>>> It's my impression that Sigaint is pretty neutral about moral and
>>>> ethical issues. Yes, they provide protection against "dragnet
>>>> surveillance". But the fact that CloudFlare is insecure, and may be
>> an
>>>> NSA honeypot, is no reason for them to avoid using it for posting a
>>>> warning on their gateway IP. That warning is just for clueless mail
>>>> admins and LEA. Their website is <http://sigaintevyh2rzvw.onion/>.
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 September 2016 07:26:26 GMT+01:00, Mirimir
>> <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/13/2016 12:18 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>>>>> The difference is you have the chinese knocking on your front
>> door
>>>>>> and are blocking them whereas you are willingly giving the secrets
>> of
>>>>>> your browsing across multiple sites to a single organisation whose
>> CEO
>>>>>> has links to the US DoD (arguably more damaging and
>> interventionist
>>>>>> than the chinese).
>>>>>>> You will then be profiled and your future actions predicted and
>> even
>>>>>> influenced in order to protect the interests of the US MIC.
>>>>>>> Nope, nothing to worry about from Cloudflare at all :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My advice is: if an organsation touches Cloudflare then you
>> shouldn't
>>>>>> touch that organisation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're missing the fucking point!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using Sigaint for email has nothing to do with CloudFlare. You
>> can't
>>>>>> even hit Sigaint webmail, except as a Tor onion service.
>> CloudFlare
>>>>>> doesn't proxy mailserver connections. It's just their fucking
>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you have some actual evidence, you're just blowing smoke ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 September 2016 06:31:37 GMT+01:00, Mirimir
>> <mirimir at riseup.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 09/12/2016 11:24 PM, juan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:09:55 -0600
>>>>>>>>> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 	Ddos attacks are exactly like terrorism. Carried by the same
>>>>>>>>>>> 	people...at the Department of False Flags.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It muct be nice to have such simple answers to everything ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 	You really got me Mirimir. We should thank the US military for
>>>>>>>>> 	cloudflare too. The internet really started to work a coupl of
>>>>>>>>> 	years ago, thanks of course, to cloudflare. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. I hate CloudFlare. It's fucking stupid to
>> break
>>>>>>>> HTTPS security as MitM in order to protect clueless against
>> DDoS.
>>>>>>>> Clever
>>>>>>>> adversaries can takeover sites if their interaction with
>> CloudFlare
>>>>>>>> isn't adequately secured. And I hate having to deal with their
>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>>> CAPTCHAs when I'm using Tor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as much as I hate US military, I don't delude myself that
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>>> the only assholes out there. Maybe the most resourceful
>> assholes.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> the most arrogant assholes. But far from the only ones. It's the
>>>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>>> Chinese that seem to beat at every SSH server that I run :( But
>> then
>>>>>>>> you'll say that it's just americunts pretending to be Chinsese
>> ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> 

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RR
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