flexthismotherfucker

oshwm oshwm at openmailbox.org
Tue Sep 13 11:29:18 PDT 2016


If the website is for LEA, why does it need to be protected from DDoS?
If LEA dont get the message and they waste their time looking for a well hidden onion service, who cares?


On 13 September 2016 19:14:19 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>On 09/13/2016 08:13 AM, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/13/2016 12:00 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>> 
>>> But the fact that CloudFlare is insecure, and may be an NSA
>honeypot,
>> is no reason for them to avoid using it...
>> 
>> Umn. I guess it depends on if your freedom or life depend on it. I'd
>> tend to be.... Risk-adverse. But that's just me.
>
>They use CloudFlare only for the website to warn LEA etc that the real
>mailserver is a Tor onion service, and to forget about trying to find
>it. CloudFlare plays no role in email handling. You're just spreading
>ignorant bullshit and FUD. You're being as pigheaded as Juan!
>
>> Rr
>> 
>> "The contrail is gone entirely from the sky.
>>  Pirate’s sweat lies on his skin almost as cold as ice.
>>  He takes some time lighting a cigarette. He won’t hear the thing
>come in.
>>  It travels faster than the speed of sound. The first news you get of
>it
>> is the blast.
>>  Then, if you’re still around, you hear the sound of it coming in.
>>  What if it should hit exactly—ahh, no—for a split second you’d have
>to feel
>>  the very point, with the terrible mass above, strike the top of the
>> skull..." ~Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 09/13/2016 12:33 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>> Well obviously all I've said about Cloudflare is well documented
>>>
>>> Yeah, but there's nothing there about Sigaint, is there?
>>>
>>>> but in terms of sigaint, its your choice but with the documented
>>>> issues with Cloudflare then I would expect any org who is trying to
>>>> provide protection against 'dragnet surveillance' would be morally
>>>> and ethically opposed to services such as Clouflare, wouldn't you?
>>>
>>> You're as bad as Juan with the "morally and ethically" bit ;)
>>>
>>> It's my impression that Sigaint is pretty neutral about moral and
>>> ethical issues. Yes, they provide protection against "dragnet
>>> surveillance". But the fact that CloudFlare is insecure, and may be
>an
>>> NSA honeypot, is no reason for them to avoid using it for posting a
>>> warning on their gateway IP. That warning is just for clueless mail
>>> admins and LEA. Their website is <http://sigaintevyh2rzvw.onion/>.
>>>
>>>> On 13 September 2016 07:26:26 GMT+01:00, Mirimir
><mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 09/13/2016 12:18 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>>>> The difference is you have the chinese knocking on your front
>door
>>>>> and are blocking them whereas you are willingly giving the secrets
>of
>>>>> your browsing across multiple sites to a single organisation whose
>CEO
>>>>> has links to the US DoD (arguably more damaging and
>interventionist
>>>>> than the chinese).
>>>>>> You will then be profiled and your future actions predicted and
>even
>>>>> influenced in order to protect the interests of the US MIC.
>>>>>> Nope, nothing to worry about from Cloudflare at all :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice is: if an organsation touches Cloudflare then you
>shouldn't
>>>>> touch that organisation.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're missing the fucking point!
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Sigaint for email has nothing to do with CloudFlare. You
>can't
>>>>> even hit Sigaint webmail, except as a Tor onion service.
>CloudFlare
>>>>> doesn't proxy mailserver connections. It's just their fucking
>website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have some actual evidence, you're just blowing smoke ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 September 2016 06:31:37 GMT+01:00, Mirimir
><mirimir at riseup.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/12/2016 11:24 PM, juan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:09:55 -0600
>>>>>>>> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 	Ddos attacks are exactly like terrorism. Carried by the same
>>>>>>>>>> 	people...at the Department of False Flags.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It muct be nice to have such simple answers to everything ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 	You really got me Mirimir. We should thank the US military for
>>>>>>>> 	cloudflare too. The internet really started to work a coupl of
>>>>>>>> 	years ago, thanks of course, to cloudflare. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. I hate CloudFlare. It's fucking stupid to
>break
>>>>>>> HTTPS security as MitM in order to protect clueless against
>DDoS.
>>>>>>> Clever
>>>>>>> adversaries can takeover sites if their interaction with
>CloudFlare
>>>>>>> isn't adequately secured. And I hate having to deal with their
>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>> CAPTCHAs when I'm using Tor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as much as I hate US military, I don't delude myself that
>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> the only assholes out there. Maybe the most resourceful
>assholes.
>>>>> And
>>>>>>> the most arrogant assholes. But far from the only ones. It's the
>>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>> Chinese that seem to beat at every SSH server that I run :( But
>then
>>>>>>> you'll say that it's just americunts pretending to be Chinsese
>;)
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> 

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