flexthismotherfucker

oshwm oshwm at openmailbox.org
Tue Sep 13 11:26:51 PDT 2016


You seem very emotionally attached to sigaint.

As for your comments earlier with regards to morals and ethics, if you provide an anti surveillance service then you'd expect a trustworthy service to take a very anti-surveillance stance and refuse to deal with corps that are part of the surveillance machine.
It is the very basis of who sigaint is and yet they seem happy to be associated with Cloudflare, raises questions in my mind about who they really work for or how much they care about those they are supposed to serve.


On 13 September 2016 19:09:16 GMT+01:00, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>On 09/13/2016 10:22 AM, Razer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/13/2016 08:53 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2016 08:00 AM, Razer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/12/2016 11:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:
>>>>> On 09/13/2016 12:18 AM, oshwm wrote:
>>>>>> The difference is you have the chinese knocking on your front
>door and are blocking them whereas you are willingly giving the secrets
>of your browsing across multiple sites to a single organisation whose
>CEO has links to the US DoD (arguably more damaging and interventionist
>than the chinese).
>>>>>> You will then be profiled and your future actions predicted and
>even influenced in order to protect the interests of the US MIC.
>>>>>> Nope, nothing to worry about from Cloudflare at all :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice is: if an organsation touches Cloudflare then you
>shouldn't touch that organisation.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're missing the fucking point!
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Sigaint for email has nothing to do with CloudFlare. You
>can't
>>>>> even hit Sigaint webmail, except as a Tor onion service.
>CloudFlare
>>>>> doesn't proxy mailserver connections. It's just their fucking
>website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you have some actual evidence, you're just blowing smoke ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What if I told you... They might direct you to the fed's exit
>nodes.
>>>
>>> Dude, you're just bullshitting. There are no exit nodes in onion
>service
>>> connections. There are two Tor circuits, one specified and built by
>the
>>> user, and the other specified and built by the onion service, and
>they
>>> meet at the rendezvous point. Who do you think is influencing that,
>and
>>> how? Are you accusing Sigaint of being compromised, or just ragging
>on
>>> them because they use CloulFlare?
>>>
>>> In order for Sigaint to exchange messages with clearnet mailservers,
>>> they must have gateways. And those gateways are obviously points of
>>> attack. But I pretty fucking sure that Sigaint uses transport
>security
>>> with clearnet mailservers. And everything ought to be GnuPG
>encrypted,
>>> so I don't particularly care how mail from Sigaint gets routed out
>in
>>> clearnet. Important stuff should never leave onionland, anyway :)
>> 
>> 
>> ...and some journalist or NoDAPL activist knows this right?
>
>They fucking ought to!
>
>> I'm going to say it again. Tor is barely passable if you're going to
>> risk your freedom or life. Throw cloudflare anywhere in that mix and
>> it's no longer even passable. I'd trust twitter DM before I'd trust
>> Cloudflare. At least they demand a court order and resist orders they
>> think are bogus. Cloudflare... HAve they ever publicly stated any
>info
>> regarding court orders? I'm not seeing it.
>
>Forget about CloudFlare. They don't play any substantive role in
>Sigaint. You're just making one of those emotional arguments, based on
>nothing but superficial associations and scare tactics. Without any
>substantial understanding of the situation. Can't you do better?
>
>> But you never know it until you're in prison or dead, and you'd STILL
>> never find out about it. In court discovery motions the prosecutor
>would
>> claim their source is DHS-affiliated and to name it would cause
>problems
>> catching terrorists or some other bullshit, and a judge WILL buy
>that.
>
>But dude, that's all about CloudFlare. Nothing to do with Sigaint.
>
>> Why not just let the DHS handle your tormail for you? That's what
>you're
>> doing, and yes I am ABSOLUTELY ragging on Cloudflare and the
>scumbucket
>> who operates it. He's the feds BFF and has been for a long time and I
>> WOULD NEVER trust any secure communications to his company.
>
>So rag on CloudFlare all you want. Just stop spreading ignorant FUD
>about Sigaint!
>
>> 
>> Rr
>> 
>> Ps. Don't trust anybody if YOUR life and freedom depend on it.
>> 
>>>
>>>> Further, you have no control whatsoever over the routing of emails
>sent
>>>> from SigAint.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter much.
>>>
>>>> As far as blowing smoke, they don't let you smoke in Federal
>prisons
>>>> anymore. As was rehashed in the Tor discussions over and over and
>over
>>>> again, would you depend in it (Tor or 'TorFlare') if your freedom
>or
>>>> life depended on it? I always said 'Tor gives you the time to send
>your
>>>> shit and gtfo of the wireless cafe and that's about it'. If it's
>>>> 'TorFlare', they'll catch you 'on the way out the door'.
>>>
>>> You're full of shit, bro.
>>>
>>>> Rr
>>>> "You hide. They seek" ~Proverbs for Paranoids, Thomas Pynchon,
>Gravity's
>>>> Rainbow
>>>>
>>>> Available in full @ Google Books:
>>>>
>https://books.google.com/books/about/Gravity_s_Rainbow.html?id=GGPm4I3BbxAC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 September 2016 06:31:37 GMT+01:00, Mirimir
><mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/12/2016 11:24 PM, juan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 23:09:55 -0600
>>>>>>>> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 	Ddos attacks are exactly like terrorism. Carried by the same
>>>>>>>>>> 	people...at the Department of False Flags.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It muct be nice to have such simple answers to everything ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 	You really got me Mirimir. We should thank the US military for
>>>>>>>> 	cloudflare too. The internet really started to work a coupl of
>>>>>>>> 	years ago, thanks of course, to cloudflare. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. I hate CloudFlare. It's fucking stupid to
>break
>>>>>>> HTTPS security as MitM in order to protect clueless against
>DDoS.
>>>>>>> Clever
>>>>>>> adversaries can takeover sites if their interaction with
>CloudFlare
>>>>>>> isn't adequately secured. And I hate having to deal with their
>fucking
>>>>>>> CAPTCHAs when I'm using Tor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as much as I hate US military, I don't delude myself that
>they're
>>>>>>> the only assholes out there. Maybe the most resourceful
>assholes. And
>>>>>>> the most arrogant assholes. But far from the only ones. It's the
>>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>> Chinese that seem to beat at every SSH server that I run :( But
>then
>>>>>>> you'll say that it's just americunts pretending to be Chinsese
>;)
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> 

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