[jya at pipeline.com: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism]

Cecilia Tanaka cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com
Tue Sep 6 19:54:09 PDT 2016


Everybody talks so much about women, but always are the men who make
mischief, little games, intrigues and gossip off-list, aff...  :-/

--
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it."
On Sep 6, 2016 11:42 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> Some of the back story, Alex and Juan agree with John Young that,
> especially list related discussion, should be on list.
>
> So, conspiracy theories, self indulgent tripe, and all the rest for your
> gossiping indulgence..
>
> Zenaan
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message from John Young <jya at pipeline.com> -----
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:29:24 -0400
> From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
> To: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
> Subject: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re:
> Nationalism vs Globalism
>
> This discussion would be more effective on the list, not off-list,
> silvousplait.
>
> As you may have read recently, offlist is just another troll tool.
>
> At 08:57 AM 9/5/2016, you wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 02:24:23PM +0300, Александр wrote:
> > > 2016-09-05 8:31 GMT+03:00 juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > >         I think that's their plan. So creating a new list and letting
> > > >         them do what they want with the cpunk list means we'd be
> > > >         following *their* plan.  I don't plan to do that =P
> > > >
> > >
> > > YES! 100 times YES!
> > > But...
> > > the problem i wrote about on other letter still remains, my friends:
> > > (they ([personal gripes]...) *suck so much energy from us* once a
> > > month with their yellings about "offtopic"/"did you take LSD" shit.
> > >
> > > I'm tired. This is not a way to do things.)
> >
> > Alex, I ask you to take a peek in your memory at a few key moments in
> > the last year as I hope the little transformations that are happening on
> > the list and in the world might set your mind at ease:
> >
> >
> >  - Rayzer has 'come out' - he now expresses bold confidence
> >    (notwithstanding he's a bit misguided in his personal mutual anger
> >    club with Juan, where he gets repeatedly defeated and sadly misses
> >    that fact. Funny but sad.
> >
> >
> >  - In my early days on the list, I was personally targetted very
> >    effectively by someone with some significant training - I have no
> >    doubt they were/are an agent of some three letter agency - I ended up
> >    saying not much, and not replying to him, for a week at least;
> >
> >    I was impressed because he/they had successfully picked an emotional
> >    weak spot within me, and successfully used that to try to "hit" me
> >    publicly.
> >
> >    Once I processed it, I realised they were an agent provocateur in
> >    their intention, as expressed through their words, and they were well
> >    trained in that.
> >
> >    But doing so, they exposed themselves (at the very least to me).
> >
> >
> >  - This year 50 CIA agents PUBLICLY petitioned the POTUS to declare a
> >    no-fly zone over Syria, actively attack Syria's president Assad, and
> >    thereby effectively start World War 3 against Russia!
> >
> >    The fact they believed they had to do this publicly, and DID do this
> >    publicly, tells us that their systems of control and influence are
> >    breaking down, and that to have any hope of further "success" with
> >    their evil ways, they have to act by exposing their evil for the
> >    world to see!
> >
> >    This is amazing, and an EXCELLENT development!
> >
> >
> >  - Finally you must have seen my recent one-two round with either a head
> >    honcho type, or someone pretending to be - in that "a turning point?
> >    Brzezinski..." thread starting 2016-09-01, with "Lodewijk" (very
> >    unlikely his real name), then SDW pipes in with "Nice Zenaan, good
> >    responses to much of what you were responding to ... he must have
> >    been a troll, blah blah ..."
> >
> >    I believe I know who "Lodewijk" is, and SDW evidently works for him,
> >    since he tried to protect him with "he's just a troll" - yet the only
> >    reason I responded in such detail, was because of what I felt, what
> >    my instinct told me - "this guy is high up", he's real, he's not
> >    trolling, he's being honest.
> >
> >    Knowing "Lodewijk" is 'high up' in authority, and reading what he
> >    wrote, brought me to tears as I wrote that reply, because I know too
> >    well how they (the CIA guys and those similar to them) think and act
> >    - their questions were their actual point of view.
> >
> >    And so, to me, it was no surprise the SDW gave such a glowing report
> >    - I was speaking directly to them, in their own language, using their
> >    own terms and acknowledging (whilst disagreeing with) their own
> >    belief systems; so of course they would appreciate my analysis.
> >
> >    My only hope is that they might find within themselves a higher
> >    intention than merely power and control over other nations.
> >
> >    And of course Juan immediately named them (accurately) as "crazy
> >    fucks" :)
> >
> >
> > So, some folks are exposing themselves. Some like Mirimir are possibly
> > making personal growth steps (very small is still above zero).
> >
> >
> > This is all a journey and "the list" (wherever it is and who ever
> > "controls" it) is secondary - it merely provides a platform for the
> > personal (and society) journeys that we make between ourselves.
> >
> >
> > Finally - Juan, you know this, and you've probably taken it on board
> > already, but we "Westerners" or "wealthy Western schooled" folks (men in
> > particular at this moment in history) are:
> >  - predominantly insecure,
> >  - spoiled with gadgets, food and comfort,
> >  - attached to the public image we think others have of ourselves,
> >  - often laden with societal guilt complex bullshit,
> >  - and generally unable to resist responding to personal attacks
> >    (yes yes Alex, I'm guilty as charged - I'll get there one day)
> >
> > Point: these guys who attach to excuses for non-action, even for
> > limiting discussion to their preferred topics, these are the kind of
> > guys that predominate in the West. (I'm talking about the Rayzers and
> > Mirimir types, not the SDW CIA types who have truly sold their souls.)
> >
> >
> > I.e., this is the soil we have available to us, to till.
> >
> > Not shifting ground on all the important things is not only a great
> > start, but essential.
> >
> > But in conversation with such mentally weak and emotionally insecure
> > people, men in particular, perhaps say to "idiots" (after having utterly
> > demolished their arguments as you do so well) things like "repetition
> > does not strengthen your position", and other such "softer" responses to
> > blatant stupidity, and drop it there. This might help to lower the noise
> > level, since emotionally insecure Western males are incapable of
> > lowering their own noise levels without external support. So that's our
> > job :)
> >
> >
> > Changes are happening, and I hold tentative hope for the future.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards always, thanks all for listening,
> > Zen
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
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