new list ?

[juan]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:47:01 +0300
Georgi Guninski <guninski at guninski.com> wrote:

> new list(s) was already suggested these days.
> 
> please go and make a few. there are even free lists providers.



	Actually, the people who should make a new list are the people
	who don't agree with basic libertarian tenets (you Georgi for
	instance) and who want to discuss useless an irrelevant
	technical matters (you Georgi)

	People who are not interested in (crypto) anarchy, and are
	interested in stupid hardware and software bugs and how to
	'exploit' them should go to the so called 'cryptography'
	mailing list. 

	Here's the address again, in case you can't find it.


	
	http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography

	""Cryptography" is a low-noise moderated mailing list devoted
	to cryptographic technology and its political impact." 


	translation : 
	
	"Cryptography" is a content-free, censored cesspool.
	
	Now, go there and enjoy yourself Georgi, and all the rest. 







> 
> people who want to subscribe, will subscribe. isn't this obvious?
> 
> i suppose you can name them whatever you want.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 03:12:01PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Folks who want their cypher unsullied have plenty of many and varied
> > lists, but should have their full pure cyphered punk (whatever that
> > means to them) without the "stress" of non cypher which appears
> > evidently stressful.
> > 
> > As was said last year, my personal intent is to respect the intenet
> > of the founders of this forum/list.
> > 
> > Lists are neither complicated, difficult nor with singificant
> > overhead, to run.
> > 
> > And it appears evident there is a smallish but loud number of
> > emotionally pained individuals who want to not be adulterated by
> > calls to action, discussion of politics, defense of fundamental and
> > essential principles to any community we can imagine, or anything
> > outside their personal expectations for what the cypherpunks list
> > "should be".
> > 
> > Far be it for us to cause any undue stress to the poor darlings.
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------
> > So, once again, there is a fair whack of offlist, and in the past on
> > list, support for an similar but alternative email mailing list.
> > 
> > Of course there has also been both on and offlist calls to not
> > split the list.
> > 
> > The possible 'new list' would be "just like cypherpunks, only a
> > little less elitist about what can be discussed", including and
> > especially tech, cypher, politico, anarcho, actiono, liberto and
> > any other old o, topics :)
> > 
> > In fact, this alternative list is not elitist at all - if you wanna
> > talk it, bloody well talk it, the list shall forever be uncesored,
> > just expect no mercy on the "constructive" or "vehement" feedback
> > side :)
> > 
> > If "you can't HANDLE the response!" then stick to cyphussy-whipped.
> > 
> > One could even consider this new list an "anarchist" list.
> > 
> > The only (should be self evident) proviso is that your speech be
> > lawful in the jurisdiction of the listserv operator, for (what
> > ought be self evidently) obvious reasons.
> >  -----------------
> > 
> > 
> > And now, the final call! ::
> > 
> >    Are there any loud "no, please don't split the list" calls which
> > can make a convincing argument as to why a few cotton wool footed,
> >    excessively schooled, overly emotional Westerners with delicate
> >    communication sensibilities and inadequate personal technical
> >    ability, ought not have their little CIA dominated pow wow room
> > under the current name, and a new anarchist list under a slightly
> >    distinguished and eminently distinguishable alternative name?
> > 
> > As a little reminder, alternative alternative lists, providing
> > abundent opportunity for free form but self moderated or actually
> > censored crypto techno discussion are, for example:
> > 
> >    nettime
> >    metzdowd
> >    securityfocus
> >    many universities
> >    djb lists
> >    eff
> >    tor-talk, tor-project etc
> >    many newsgroups
> >    and a whole internet more, just a search away
> > 
> > 
> > Finally, before those tenderfoots jump in with "yes please", perhaps
> > read this again:
> > http://cryptome.org/2013/09/cpunks-crypto.htm
> > 
> > including its many choice quotes including:
> > 
> > - "the political has won out over the technical".
> > 
> > 
> > - this one reminds of the total overthrow and take over of Tor Inc
> >   that's just gone down in front of us all, along with the public,
> >   professional and very personal destruction of Jacob Applebaum:
> > 
> >   "What has been shown in the discussion is that the technical
> > wizards are not nearly as competent at the messy political"
> > 
> > 
> > - "petty squabblling and exchange of slurs has replaced rational
> >   discourse. Thus the convo has become politicized with as much
> >   stupidity and ignorance as sharp thinking and mutual respect"
> > 
> > 
> > Do bring your best, and best regards to all,
> > Zenaan