new list ?

[Zenaan Harkness]

Folks who want their cypher unsullied have plenty of many and varied
lists, but should have their full pure cyphered punk (whatever that
means to them) without the "stress" of non cypher which appears
evidently stressful.

As was said last year, my personal intent is to respect the intenet of
the founders of this forum/list.

Lists are neither complicated, difficult nor with singificant overhead,
to run.

And it appears evident there is a smallish but loud number of
emotionally pained individuals who want to not be adulterated by calls
to action, discussion of politics, defense of fundamental and essential
principles to any community we can imagine, or anything outside their
personal expectations for what the cypherpunks list "should be".

Far be it for us to cause any undue stress to the poor darlings.


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So, once again, there is a fair whack of offlist, and in the past on
list, support for an similar but alternative email mailing list.

Of course there has also been both on and offlist calls to not split the
list.

The possible 'new list' would be "just like cypherpunks, only a little
less elitist about what can be discussed", including and especially
tech, cypher, politico, anarcho, actiono, liberto and any other old o,
topics :)

In fact, this alternative list is not elitist at all - if you wanna talk
it, bloody well talk it, the list shall forever be uncesored, just
expect no mercy on the "constructive" or "vehement" feedback side :)

If "you can't HANDLE the response!" then stick to cyphussy-whipped.

One could even consider this new list an "anarchist" list.

The only (should be self evident) proviso is that your speech be lawful
in the jurisdiction of the listserv operator, for (what ought be self
evidently) obvious reasons.
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And now, the final call! ::

   Are there any loud "no, please don't split the list" calls which can
   make a convincing argument as to why a few cotton wool footed,
   excessively schooled, overly emotional Westerners with delicate
   communication sensibilities and inadequate personal technical
   ability, ought not have their little CIA dominated pow wow room under
   the current name, and a new anarchist list under a slightly
   distinguished and eminently distinguishable alternative name?

As a little reminder, alternative alternative lists, providing abundent
opportunity for free form but self moderated or actually censored
crypto techno discussion are, for example:

   nettime
   metzdowd
   securityfocus
   many universities
   djb lists
   eff
   tor-talk, tor-project etc
   many newsgroups
   and a whole internet more, just a search away


Finally, before those tenderfoots jump in with "yes please", perhaps
read this again:
http://cryptome.org/2013/09/cpunks-crypto.htm

including its many choice quotes including:

- "the political has won out over the technical".


- this one reminds of the total overthrow and take over of Tor Inc
  that's just gone down in front of us all, along with the public,
  professional and very personal destruction of Jacob Applebaum:

  "What has been shown in the discussion is that the technical wizards
  are not nearly as competent at the messy political"


- "petty squabblling and exchange of slurs has replaced rational
  discourse. Thus the convo has become politicized with as much
  stupidity and ignorance as sharp thinking and mutual respect"


Do bring your best, and best regards to all,
Zenaan