individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 10:33:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> On 09/02/2016 09:26 PM, Razer wrote:
> > On 09/02/2016 07:01 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >> On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 06:06:24PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >>> On 09/02/2016 05:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> individual sovereignty and anarchism
> >>>
> >>> Try "individual RESPONSIBILITY to the 'collective' called humanity and
> >>> Anarchism" and I'll nibble. Until then it's just Feudal Nihilism by
> >>> different means.
> >>
> >> Nihilism sounds like moral relativism, not very useful.
> >>
> >> "Feudal nihilism" - I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.
> > 
> > 
> > It means you don't care what happens to the shitpile as long as you're
> > at the tip of the turd.
> 
> I do feel some compassion for the shitpile. But playing in shit is just
> not very interesting. And change (or even transformation) is at best
> illusory.

That is not agreeable, nor constructive, although the statement may be
provable over specific time periods and at certain levels of analysis.

Ought we stick to discussions which are not self defeating and premised
on failure?


> So I'll settle for keeping out of it :)

That's tough - where the use of force is vested in the state and
its institutions such as the DMV, and you "just want to drive to a
mate's place to catch up".

Although "keeping out of it" is a laudable goal superficially, the
implications are fundamentally opposed to living a full and enjoyable
life engaged with other humans.

Some like the monastic isolationist life, and far be it from us to decry
anyone who chooses that.


But, for many of us, where "keeping out of it" means not engaging or
physically interacting with interesting folk who also exist within "our
nation", isolationism is intolerable!


We see what happened with the ascetic and isolationist Essenes who
"seceded from the Zadokite priests" and wanted to live their lives
independent of Rome (the empire at that time), so this battle we face to
live our own lives (independently of the TPTB) is nothing new, see:
https://waldodhc.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/masada-the-essenes/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes

Some say the leader of the Zealots was Jesus the Nazarene, the last King
of the jews and there is some evidence to this - a book where the author
alleges he read the last scroll of the Zealots in person, but was not
allowed a copy (can't remember the name of the book right now).

Point is, the proles are prone to fear, reactivity, lynch mobbing and
plenty more, and the isolationism of the Essenes, their desire to live
free of rome, combined with their penchant for education and science
(geekiness and personal and tribal advancement) may have been part of
why 'the rest of the Roman society' was in fear of them, and ultimately
preferred to destroy them / force submission, rather than let them live
their lives as they chose.