Scientific Progress

juan juan.g71 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 26 11:44:30 PDT 2016


On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:24:12 -0700
Razer <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/26/2016 11:14 AM, Tom wrote:
> 
> > there are a couple of people on the list, who do...
> 
> No. I don't think there are. I just think some of us believe a
> more-than-small-portion of what's purported to be 'science' is twisted
> and perverted to fit the needs of industrialists and capitalists
> excluding science beneficial to humanity.


	It should be mentioned that a lot of 'scientific' effort is
	devoted to extend the power of the state. The 'private' sector
	is not blameless, but they are not the only criminals. 

	Whereas the 'private' sector is concerned with money, the
	public commie sector wants raw power. Check the rerefences[1]


[1] 1984







> 
> GMO farming research comes immediately to mind.
> 
> Rr
> 
> > Hello Kevin,
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Kevin Gallagher wrote:
> >> I do not claim that science is the enemy. It is the opposite.
> > 
> > Ah, great. However, there are a couple of people on the list, who
> > do. My mail was merely directed at them, not at you personally.
> > Sorry if it sounded that way!
> > 
> >> The scientific curiosity has become about what will make money, not
> >> what is true.
> > 
> > Well well well, but I'd like to disagree (a little) - yes, the
> > economy and politics have corrupted how scientific institutions
> > work (note that I don't say "science" here) and therefore many
> > scientists work in environments where they look for profitable
> > solutions instead of gaining general knowledge. But on the other
> > hand, there are still many many scientists fighting their way
> > through the system.
> > 
> > I think it's you cannot generalize it that way. You see,
> > there are even scientists in Mongolia and I think you'll agree that
> > it's absolutely impossible they are working for the powers that
> > be :)
> > 
> > In other words: I still have hope that not all is lost!
> > 
> >> Scientific research influences all of society, and should
> >> therefore consider ethics before publication.
> > 
> > The problem is, that knowledge is neutral and ethics depends on the
> > people's current views. Nuclear fission works the same wether you
> > look at it from 1945 or 2017.
> > 
> > Yes, many scary things have been discovered and published so far.
> > But if all those scary things haven't been published when they were
> > scary, we might very well still use horse-drawn carriages for
> > transportation.
> > 
> > Look at it from the security industry perspective: full disclosure
> > of vulnerabilities in software is way better than keeping this
> > knowledge secret. A few who know about it (the NSA) can abuse it to
> > gain power over other people, while nobody else is able to defend
> > themselfes. So, making vulnerabilities public might give the bad
> > boys tools to attack people, but it also gives everyone else the
> > possiblity for defense.
> > 
> > I think it is the same with general science. Better everyone knows
> > it than just a few.
> > 
> >> Currently, however, the system has been corrupted by wealthy
> >> players who abuse it for personal gain.
> > 
> > Indeed. But there are scientists who are fighting against this.
> > 
> >> If you have not read the paper I mentioned in my previous email, I
> >> really do suggest giving it a read. Rogaway argues many different
> >> points in the paper, many of which I haven't covered in my emails.
> > 
> > I will do that.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > best,
> > Tom
> >  
> > 




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