Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own oppression

[Razer]

The issue I'm having reading this thread about the US Erections is this
list is ostensibly Anarchist and I don't understand why it's infested
almost exclusively by Libertarians. Libertarians CANNOT be Anarchist ...
because they believe in government. Small, but they BELIEVE that the US
political system actually works in the interest of the people, or it can
be made so.

Rr


On 10/24/2016 04:48 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> Finding it hard in my soul that i once again agree with razer but then
> again i always say "mass murderers are sometimes nice to others" so no one
> is completely dark
> 
> On Oct 24, 2016 5:12 AM, "Razer" <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2016 06:28 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>
>>> Although voting is likely not the answer, not voting is also not the
>>> answer - as much as I agree with the sentiment and enjoy the above,
>>> "voting vs not voting" is a false dichotomy.
>>
>>
>> You think boycotts are ineffective then? Because that's what vocally
>> refusing to vote is. A non-vote IS a vote. for none of the above. A
>> selection not featured on any ballot anywhere.
>>
>> It's the only logical choice when all you're being offered is Fascists
>> to vote for and you have a bunch of lame schmucks who think voting for a
>> third party is either a wasted vote or assisting one of the candidates.
>>
>> That IS the level of COWARDICE seen in America today (Shawn Quinn), and
>> that cowardice HAS created the mess we're in because sheeple willingly
>> go to their slaughter.
>>
>> Btw, Bernie Sanders is a National Socialist. Jill Stein invited him to
>> join her, NOT to coopt what passes for real socialism and destroy the US
>> Green Party due to attrition of the base, who only vote for
>> internationalist socialists. He won't. Most likely what would happen is
>> the Greens would be overwhelmed by progressive-liberals and the party
>> destroyed, so it all just as well that he sits in one of his three VERY
>> EXPENSIVE Lake Champlain homes and dies a slow miserable death out of
>> the national spotlight. No one I know will miss him.
>>
>> Rr
>>
>> "Dare to struggle baby... or stfu and sit in the corner out of the
>> fucking way" ~Me
>>
>> A rapper covers the De-Baits.
>>
>> Trap News: The Farce Awakens
>>
>> "History has shown us that voting on elections accomplishes next to
>> nothing, and that real lasting revolutionary change is won through hard
>> work, by real people self organizing, and not by elected politicians.
>> Yet every four years, the spectacle of the Democrats VS Republicans
>> entices millions and makes them forget these proven facts. Trap News is
>> our friendly (and funny, we hope) reminder of this."
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/186021038
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 05:59:25PM -0700, Razer wrote:
>>>> Feb 10, 2016
>>>>
>>>> As the media-fueled spectacle of election season heats up in the United
>>>> Snakes, many anarchist and anti-authoritarian comrades are experiencing
>>>> a serious case of deja fucking vu. Once again, we find ourselves
>>>> engaging in the same stupid fucking debates with liberals, so-called
>>>> “progressives” and other fair-weather radicals, about the pitfalls of
>>>> electoral politics, all while being talked down to, as though we're just
>>>> naive, contrarian ideologues, who don't know what we're fucking talking
>>>> about."
>>>>
>>>> A 5 minute exposition in layman's terms about why you're simply fucking
>>>> stupid if you vote, slave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTdAe6Vo2E
>>>
>>> Things need to change.
>>>
>>> Although voting is likely not the answer, not voting is also not the
>>> answer - as much as I agree with the sentiment and enjoy the above,
>>> "voting vs not voting" is a false dichotomy.
>>
>>
>> You don't think boycotts are ineffective then? Because that's what
>> vocally refusing to vote is. A non-vote IS a vote. for none of the
>> above. A selection not featured on any ballot anywhere,
>>>
>>>
>>> This election cycle is too late for a truly grass roots endeavour, so
>>> only contact with the current runners is likely to yield any impact -
>>> perhaps Trump can be caused to get back to his "end the war on drugs, it
>>> is the ONLY way" statement from a decade ago - he evidently had heard
>>> from someone or read something, compelling to him, at that time.
>>>
>>> Or some middle finger party dumping by Bernie.
>>>
>>> Or some "agile politics" process with a few of the second tier runners.
>>>
>>> If you have any contacts, this is your last week and a half to try.
>>>
>>> If you fail to try with what you have, don't blame anyone else for any
>>> "failure" you perceive in the upcoming elections...
>>>
>>> (Speaking enerically here of course, not to you specifically Razer)
>>>
>>
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