Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own oppression

Cari Machet carimachet at gmail.com
Mon Oct 24 04:48:25 PDT 2016


Finding it hard in my soul that i once again agree with razer but then
again i always say "mass murderers are sometimes nice to others" so no one
is completely dark

On Oct 24, 2016 5:12 AM, "Razer" <rayzer at riseup.net> wrote:

>
>
> On 10/23/2016 06:28 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> > Although voting is likely not the answer, not voting is also not the
> > answer - as much as I agree with the sentiment and enjoy the above,
> > "voting vs not voting" is a false dichotomy.
>
>
> You think boycotts are ineffective then? Because that's what vocally
> refusing to vote is. A non-vote IS a vote. for none of the above. A
> selection not featured on any ballot anywhere.
>
> It's the only logical choice when all you're being offered is Fascists
> to vote for and you have a bunch of lame schmucks who think voting for a
> third party is either a wasted vote or assisting one of the candidates.
>
> That IS the level of COWARDICE seen in America today (Shawn Quinn), and
> that cowardice HAS created the mess we're in because sheeple willingly
> go to their slaughter.
>
> Btw, Bernie Sanders is a National Socialist. Jill Stein invited him to
> join her, NOT to coopt what passes for real socialism and destroy the US
> Green Party due to attrition of the base, who only vote for
> internationalist socialists. He won't. Most likely what would happen is
> the Greens would be overwhelmed by progressive-liberals and the party
> destroyed, so it all just as well that he sits in one of his three VERY
> EXPENSIVE Lake Champlain homes and dies a slow miserable death out of
> the national spotlight. No one I know will miss him.
>
> Rr
>
> "Dare to struggle baby... or stfu and sit in the corner out of the
> fucking way" ~Me
>
> A rapper covers the De-Baits.
>
> Trap News: The Farce Awakens
>
> "History has shown us that voting on elections accomplishes next to
> nothing, and that real lasting revolutionary change is won through hard
> work, by real people self organizing, and not by elected politicians.
> Yet every four years, the spectacle of the Democrats VS Republicans
> entices millions and makes them forget these proven facts. Trap News is
> our friendly (and funny, we hope) reminder of this."
>
> https://vimeo.com/186021038
>
>
> > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 05:59:25PM -0700, Razer wrote:
> >> Feb 10, 2016
> >>
> >> As the media-fueled spectacle of election season heats up in the United
> >> Snakes, many anarchist and anti-authoritarian comrades are experiencing
> >> a serious case of deja fucking vu. Once again, we find ourselves
> >> engaging in the same stupid fucking debates with liberals, so-called
> >> “progressives” and other fair-weather radicals, about the pitfalls of
> >> electoral politics, all while being talked down to, as though we're just
> >> naive, contrarian ideologues, who don't know what we're fucking talking
> >> about."
> >>
> >> A 5 minute exposition in layman's terms about why you're simply fucking
> >> stupid if you vote, slave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTdAe6Vo2E
> >
> > Things need to change.
> >
> > Although voting is likely not the answer, not voting is also not the
> > answer - as much as I agree with the sentiment and enjoy the above,
> > "voting vs not voting" is a false dichotomy.
>
>
> You don't think boycotts are ineffective then? Because that's what
> vocally refusing to vote is. A non-vote IS a vote. for none of the
> above. A selection not featured on any ballot anywhere,
> >
> >
> > This election cycle is too late for a truly grass roots endeavour, so
> > only contact with the current runners is likely to yield any impact -
> > perhaps Trump can be caused to get back to his "end the war on drugs, it
> > is the ONLY way" statement from a decade ago - he evidently had heard
> > from someone or read something, compelling to him, at that time.
> >
> > Or some middle finger party dumping by Bernie.
> >
> > Or some "agile politics" process with a few of the second tier runners.
> >
> > If you have any contacts, this is your last week and a half to try.
> >
> > If you fail to try with what you have, don't blame anyone else for any
> > "failure" you perceive in the upcoming elections...
> >
> > (Speaking enerically here of course, not to you specifically Razer)
> >
>
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