Wikileaks says Wednesday is the End for Hillary.

xorcist at sigaint.org xorcist at sigaint.org
Mon Oct 3 15:04:17 PDT 2016


> Ain't no "if" about that collapse; "when" would be more accurate.

Agreed.

> And the wonderful achievements of Progressive Liberalism only cost us:

Agreed.

> But our "homeless people" can have a shiny toy to compensate them for
> their lack of basic security and so-called necessities.  Yes, they are
> marginally better off than (for instance) the residents of cities
> bombed out by U.S. proxy forces to protect and serve the U.S. National
> Interest.  So that makes it all OK.

Whoa now. Never said it made anything OK. But from the POV of the
peasants, human history is largely about getting the means to migrate from
one place where life is really screwed up, to a place where it is less
screwed up.

At present, the West is less screwed up: which is why those refugees you
mentioned are walking north, and German's aren't walking south.


> Slowly healing?  But not fast enough?  I wish I had the kind of income
> and assets that make it possible to submerge oneself in that
> delusional fantasy world.

Has nothing to do with my income, not that I'm rich at all. But I've held
that view even when I was dirt broke. Given the choice between pessimism
and optimism, I always choose optimism.

But, in terms of humanity growing, or healing? I don't think its a
fantasy. Look at Western history: Open, official monarchs have been
dethroned, we now only deal with largely covert oligarchs. God is dead,
and we only deal with a vocal minority and unraveling the cultural norms
informed by the myth. Personal racism is on the decline, and systemic
racism is once again the topic of the day where different races, and age
groups, come out to speak out against it.

Look at Asian history: China is finally coming out of its slumber and will
provide a much needed counter-balance to Western dominance. Already there
are forces at work at reforming the Chinese economy and society, and they
haven't even really gotten off the ground yet.

Look at the Middle East: For all intents and purposes they are in the
midst of their Dark Ages. In the 1950s in Saudi Arabia, wealth was defined
as the number of camels one had. Today, education is highly valued and
prized. The current tensions are largely due to the earth-shaking effects
of modern life on a culture that is largely still in the 16th century.
That is rapidly changing, and already there are several key partners in
the region that, at least for now, are committed to helping advance the
Arab world and bring it to the table, so to speak.

Africa: Yeah, Africa is totally fucked. But not if the Chinese have their
way. China (and thank goodness for that long-term Confucian thinking) has
already began to build important relationships there that are free of the
old European colonial tensions. China is bankrolling the creation of the
African Union headquarters, and has invested heavily in getting
infrastructure and communications networks going.


>  Our Middle and Ruing classes voluntarily
> participate in rationalizations

So? When was that ever not the case in human history? Every society has
engaged in some type of cultural mythology that plainly disagrees with the
facts. This is nothing new, and certainly nothing worse, than in other
times in history.


> Blame the victims, and anyone who disagrees with you about how fucking
> wonderful Industrial Age civilization is. That's the Party line.

Yeah, but I never said that. If I had it my way, we'd transfer all
technological and industrial production to one city, maybe two cities per
continent. Those would be the centers of production and learning.

A handful of modern cities could produce all the goods, medicine, and so
on needed if most people CHOSE to live simply as in circa 1800. Maybe with
a modern convenience or two in the way of communications/education. And
even that is mostly just a bone tossed to those that simply MUST HAVE
technology.

But I'll never get my way. Because people don't want that, and it isn't
some propaganda job that makes them not want that.

They don't want it because the death rate is higher. They don't want it
because the infant mortality rate is higher. They don't want it because
the common work they will have to do will mean busting their ass in a
field actually GATHERING food, rather than walking around an
air-conditioned store.

Why would they? You can't seriously expect people to individually work
against their self-interest. Well, I mean, I guess you can.. but you're
going to be disappointed. This goes to my naturalistic thesis. You
wouldn't expect a lion not to eat your pet dog, so why the do you expect a
glorified ape to NOT act like a glorified ape?

> Meanwhile, the "mature, responsible citizens" who parrot that
> propaganda line do not WISH for their relatives to be raped and
> killed:  They support the rape and murder of whole cities, which pays
> for their comfortable, upwardly mobile lifestyle.

Come now. Very few people SUPPORT the rape and murder of whole cities.
First of all, rape in Western militaries is lower than any time in
history. It's actually a crime, rather than an approved war trophy. So
stop with that. But, murder is on-point, so I'll stick with that.

It's not that your average guy SUPPORTS it.. its that they don't have any
tools to stop it, nonsenseand are largely unaware of any of it to begin
with. This goes back to laziness.

Most people - your average person - doesn't learn this sort of thing.
Because they are too busy getting their asses kicked all day at work. Then
they come home, deal with the kids, bills, or whatever OTHER problems they
have in life, and when they get a few spare moments, the last thing they
want to do is delve into geopolitics and the problems of the world too.
They want to fucking relax, and take it easy for a few moments, before
they go back out there the next and wage their personal war against life
all over again. That is the story of being human, and its why we don't
want to have to bust our ass raising animals, or grinding grain too.

After 9/11, I got into a discussion with an American that started off very
heated because I had gently implied that, frankly, it should have been
expected the States' had it coming. He didn't like that. Went on for a
moment about 3000 people dead and so on, trying to simultaneously
intimidate me, play on my compassion, and shame me. I didn't budge. I
simply responded "I feel deeply for those that died in New York. But I
also feel deeply for the people Clinton killed Frandala. The killings in
Frandala were one of the reasons bin Laden cited for 9/11. He wanted
revenge. Now you guys want revenge, and I understand that too. But an eye
for an eye makes the whole world blind, won't you see?"

He had never heard of Frandala. Didn't know of the bombing, at all.
And when I explained it to him, and explained that it was, in fact, a
cited reason for the 9/11, I could tell that he was ashamed for not
knowing it sooner.

Now, you can tow the "party line" about education being indoctrination,
and to the extent that you mean "learned what they were taught" you'd be
right. But to the extent that one can be SELF educated. To the extent that
one can possess FACTS, this type of education is sorely needed.

And, in my view, if anything is going to raise us on the whole out of that
glorified ape strata, it is going to be possessing facts, having critical
thinking skills, and knowing how to balance that with poetic license. I.e.
developing as much of the uniquely human traits as possible.

> They also pointedly
> ignore the fact that their own families WILL face that kind of
> deprivation and violence as an unavoidable natural consequence of
> living in a purely self-serving fantasy world.

That may be, but it still does no good for anyone to wish societal
collapse. Not to mention, humans faced those consequences BEFORE our
society, in previous societies, and indeed before civilization itself. So
I find the idea that all of the problems humanity faces can be squarely
placed at the feet of modern industrialism alone dubious. There are
barbarous marauders, thieves, rapists and all sorts of shit well before
any of this modern nonsense came around. And I'd point out, that against a
25 year old drunk/beserking Viking, a little old lady has no chance. But a
little old lady with a shotgun is a credible threat against a methed up
biker. So, keep in mind that when you get rid of industrialism, you give
the advantage to the youngest, and the largest.

And, I would add, that if people, and their leaders today truly ARE as
bloodthirsty as you imagine? Then that only drives my point home more.

Because before the collapse, it would stand to reason that they will fire
off the nukes.

> The thing we call civilization now faces an existential crisis, but as
> long as it serves their self interest our Middle and Ruling Classes
> will welcome any opportunity to indulge in pathological denial.

I understand that civilization is the core problem. I'm not in denial
about that. The question is, what do we do about it?

People will not be willing to scale down civilization. And even if we
could get a society to unilaterally try, they would simply become prey to
their enemies who have maintained industrial weaponry.

Sometimes, when you go down the wrong road.. the shortest way back is
forward.

> Sorry, I know this extended rant of mine will annoy a few people,
> amuse a few others, but change not one fucking thing in the real
> world.  Sometimes one must vent.

Indeed. This is why I try to choose optimism. It still won't change a
fucking thing, but it feels better, and makes you more popular at parties.




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